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> 80k+ salaries. Last time I intensively job searched in Berlin there was a clear salary ceiling at 70-75k EUR annually for software roles.

yladiz 6y ago
I'm not sure how long ago you looked, but that definitely isn't the case, both from research and personal experience.
pitkali 6y ago
While 80k is above a median for a senior software developer, it is not unattainable, as far as I know.
- goodpoint 6y ago
  Can you provide sources?
  - f6v 6y ago
    The only one I know https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/13p6Hr9kSZuVKbQgOT_BcgasEvOuqEvt0Y0c78S5rlvw/htmlview#gid=1753613754 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/13p6Hr9kSZuVKbQgO...
ewindal 6y ago
Amazon Berlin has >€80k for entry level roles.
- durnygbur 6y ago
  I was interviewed onsite at Amazon's Berlin office. The breathless technical marathon ensured me they're place for toxic assholes and the only motivation for going through the process could be above the market salary. Having given up on trying during the process I truly regret the time I wasted on dealing with them.
- Tenoke 6y ago
  FAANG typically pay more than everyone else. Also sites like glassdoor report 70k for the average Berlin Amazon Software Engineer Salary. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Amazon-Software-Development-Engineer-Berlin-Salaries-EJI_IE6036.0,6_KO7,36_IL.37,43_IM1020.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Amazon-Software-Development...
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  - ewindal 6y ago
    Add the additional pay for a total comp of more than 80k. Might be out of the norm for L4, but that's what I was offered.
jashmatthews 6y ago
Startups with no money yes but places like Zalando pay ~100k total comp. People working for places like Microsoft or GitHub more like ~150k. https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Germany/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Ger...
- durnygbur 6y ago
  I was pulled through so many hopeless recruitment processes, tests, take home assignments, teasing sessions that I simply have no reason to believe these amounts. No promise will make me sacrifice even an hour more. Like literally - email me already an employment contract with this amount on it.
  - f6v 6y ago
    I mean, I don’t do whiteboard coding interviews either. But Amazons, Zalandos and Wayfairs pay that.
  - jashmatthews 6y ago
    https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-salaries-in-the-netherlands-and-europe/ https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala...

yladiz 6y ago

I'm not sure how long ago you looked, but that definitely isn't the case, both from research and personal experience.

pitkali 6y ago

While 80k is above a median for a senior software developer, it is not unattainable, as far as I know.

goodpoint 6y ago
Can you provide sources?
- f6v 6y ago
  The only one I know https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/13p6Hr9kSZuVKbQgOT_BcgasEvOuqEvt0Y0c78S5rlvw/htmlview#gid=1753613754 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/13p6Hr9kSZuVKbQgO...

ewindal 6y ago

Amazon Berlin has >€80k for entry level roles.

durnygbur 6y ago
I was interviewed onsite at Amazon's Berlin office. The breathless technical marathon ensured me they're place for toxic assholes and the only motivation for going through the process could be above the market salary. Having given up on trying during the process I truly regret the time I wasted on dealing with them.
Tenoke 6y ago
FAANG typically pay more than everyone else. Also sites like glassdoor report 70k for the average Berlin Amazon Software Engineer Salary. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Amazon-Software-Development-Engineer-Berlin-Salaries-EJI_IE6036.0,6_KO7,36_IL.37,43_IM1020.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Amazon-Software-Development...
- deleted 6y ago
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- ewindal 6y ago
  Add the additional pay for a total comp of more than 80k. Might be out of the norm for L4, but that's what I was offered.

jashmatthews 6y ago

Startups with no money yes but places like Zalando pay ~100k total comp. People working for places like Microsoft or GitHub more like ~150k. https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Germany/ https://www.levels.fyi/Salaries/Software-Engineer/Berlin-Ger...

durnygbur 6y ago
I was pulled through so many hopeless recruitment processes, tests, take home assignments, teasing sessions that I simply have no reason to believe these amounts. No promise will make me sacrifice even an hour more. Like literally - email me already an employment contract with this amount on it.
- f6v 6y ago
  I mean, I don’t do whiteboard coding interviews either. But Amazons, Zalandos and Wayfairs pay that.
- jashmatthews 6y ago
  https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-salaries-in-the-netherlands-and-europe/ https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineering-sala...