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Perhaps my tech stack is simpler and requires less maintenance than yours. I suppose with your 20 years of experience ( Github exists since 2008 as a reference

Perhaps my tech stack is simpler and requires less maintenance than yours. I suppose with your 20 years of experience ( Github exists since 2008 as a reference), you can give me some actual examples that the cloud improves on workload? Eg. I have a small member management saas that I haven't touched in the 6 years that it's running. I just realized that it's probably hosted on my test server ( my first VPS) and if it wasn't used, I wouldn't have been able to send the yearly invoice :) The dogma is in thinking that the cloud makes everything simpler. It isn't. It makes difficult things more simple, but in a lot of cases, you don't need them in the first place.

arp242 6y ago
I self-hosted everything for years. Now I just use FastMail and Netlify. It's a time-saver, works well, and overall is more reliable. > The dogma is in thinking that the cloud makes everything simpler. I never said anything of the sort. Everything comes with trade-offs. I host my product on two Alpine Linux VPSs. But I also spent time setting all of that up and need to spend time maintaining it. For personal projects, cloud tools like FastMail tend to be the better choice in most cases.
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  And I've never said anything about self hosting email. I was talking about client projects. Hosting email isn't a client project and is something I wouldn't selfhost either. When I mean creating projects in the cloud, I'm talking about using the big 3 Google, Microsoft and Amazon cloud. I even explicitly mentioned azure... Netlify is build on top of AWS and for them, it's useful for actual scaling on the "edge". But most sites on netlify don't need their edge capabilities. And cloudflare is one self hosting it on more edge locations ( i think they could even join the big 3 soon) And still, some customers had issues 21 days ago with netlify DNS. So those clients spend time on that too and didn't knew what was happening at first https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581027 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581027 Additionally, here are some edge cases you can run into for DNS: https://answers.netlify.com/t/support-guide-dns-quick-start-how-to-set-up-dns/24773 https://answers.netlify.com/t/support-guide-dns-quick-start-... But i guess those issues don't count as "maintenance/work" :)
  - arp242 6y ago
    I'm not entirely sure what your point here is; nothing is perfect, and as I said before everything had their advantages and disadvantages.

arp242 6y ago

I self-hosted everything for years. Now I just use FastMail and Netlify. It's a time-saver, works well, and overall is more reliable. > The dogma is in thinking that the cloud makes everything simpler. I never said anything of the sort. Everything comes with trade-offs. I host my product on two Alpine Linux VPSs. But I also spent time setting all of that up and need to spend time maintaining it. For personal projects, cloud tools like FastMail tend to be the better choice in most cases.

NicoJuicy 6y ago
And I've never said anything about self hosting email. I was talking about client projects. Hosting email isn't a client project and is something I wouldn't selfhost either. When I mean creating projects in the cloud, I'm talking about using the big 3 Google, Microsoft and Amazon cloud. I even explicitly mentioned azure... Netlify is build on top of AWS and for them, it's useful for actual scaling on the "edge". But most sites on netlify don't need their edge capabilities. And cloudflare is one self hosting it on more edge locations ( i think they could even join the big 3 soon) And still, some customers had issues 21 days ago with netlify DNS. So those clients spend time on that too and didn't knew what was happening at first https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581027 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26581027 Additionally, here are some edge cases you can run into for DNS: https://answers.netlify.com/t/support-guide-dns-quick-start-how-to-set-up-dns/24773 https://answers.netlify.com/t/support-guide-dns-quick-start-... But i guess those issues don't count as "maintenance/work" :)
- arp242 6y ago
  I'm not entirely sure what your point here is; nothing is perfect, and as I said before everything had their advantages and disadvantages.