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Please no suburban sprawl while Berlin still has such low density compared to other cities. There are still lots of fairly central areas with single family home

Please no suburban sprawl while Berlin still has such low density compared to other cities. There are still lots of fairly central areas with single family homes. Just upzone them and let people get rich selling their land to developers.

mschuster91 6y ago
> Please no suburban sprawl while Berlin still has such low density compared to other cities A city should be worth it to live in and provide enjoyment for the citizens, not be a glorified chicken coop for people.
- adrianN 6y ago
  That is EXACTLY what you get by building dense housing. You leave room for the important things that a city offers: services, events, jobs, greenery all in walkable or bikeable distance. Otoh sprawl development leads to dead neighborhoods, car dependence and long commutes. It also uses space that could be left to nature instead.
  - mschuster91 6y ago
    "Dense housing" is code for "chicken coops" with the only space people have for themselves being 40 m² for a family of four. Seriously, thanks but no thanks. There is a middle way between US-level sprawl and Japan-style chicken coops - and I definitely hope we don't go the Japan route.
    - adrianN 6y ago
      No, "dense housing" is code for multistory buildings in a mixed-use neighborhood (like you already find in many parts of the city!). It doesn't matter very much whether those apartments are 30 or 200m^2, the density is several times better than in a neighborhood of single family homes as you find them just a few km outside of Berlin's city center.
    - KptMarchewa 6y ago
      Japan style housing, just like British, is "dense" in the sense of buildings being physically close. It's not what the post is about - it's about building buildings with higher number of storeys.
  - oytis 6y ago
    Have you been to Berlin? We have amazing public transportation network, I never had a car living here for 5 years already, and never felt I need one (at least not before the pandemic). And also coming from a country with dense housing (Russia), I really appreciate we are not sitting on each others heads here.

mschuster91 6y ago

> Please no suburban sprawl while Berlin still has such low density compared to other cities A city should be worth it to live in and provide enjoyment for the citizens, not be a glorified chicken coop for people.

adrianN 6y ago
That is EXACTLY what you get by building dense housing. You leave room for the important things that a city offers: services, events, jobs, greenery all in walkable or bikeable distance. Otoh sprawl development leads to dead neighborhoods, car dependence and long commutes. It also uses space that could be left to nature instead.
- mschuster91 6y ago
  "Dense housing" is code for "chicken coops" with the only space people have for themselves being 40 m² for a family of four. Seriously, thanks but no thanks. There is a middle way between US-level sprawl and Japan-style chicken coops - and I definitely hope we don't go the Japan route.
  - adrianN 6y ago
    No, "dense housing" is code for multistory buildings in a mixed-use neighborhood (like you already find in many parts of the city!). It doesn't matter very much whether those apartments are 30 or 200m^2, the density is several times better than in a neighborhood of single family homes as you find them just a few km outside of Berlin's city center.
  - KptMarchewa 6y ago
    Japan style housing, just like British, is "dense" in the sense of buildings being physically close. It's not what the post is about - it's about building buildings with higher number of storeys.
- oytis 6y ago
  Have you been to Berlin? We have amazing public transportation network, I never had a car living here for 5 years already, and never felt I need one (at least not before the pandemic). And also coming from a country with dense housing (Russia), I really appreciate we are not sitting on each others heads here.