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I have zero experience with drugs, so I am wondering if there is a sugar/cigarette industry that put a lot of money into promoting it's products, then what wil

I have zero experience with drugs, so I am wondering if there is a sugar/cigarette industry that put a lot of money into promoting it's products, then what will be different when drugs get legalized? Won't we repeat the history where companies make billions from this products, put them into ads to spread the use and addict people, suppress research into bad side effects etc,. Personally I think there are some good applications for mushrooms or marijuana but my instinct is that the greedy people would do what they do best, sucker people and make big money.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
Of course. And when multi billion dollar marketing budgets are put to work for weed and psychedelics, you can expect the same situation to occur as with tobacco or alcohol.
arcticbull 6y ago
Sure, for weed maybe. But psychedelics are very different. They're really, genuinely not addictive -- probably because they're not "fun." In fact, they're exhausting. You may feel a lot better after, the experience may be fascinating, but you're in absolutely no hurry to do it again. The whole thing lasts a few hours, but literally feels like months, with numerous epochs along the way. It's not like the kind of hollow calories of a bag of Cheetos, it's more like a long, difficult workout. That's hard to productize in that way.
- bigfudge 6y ago
  >probably because they're not "fun." You've been doing it wrong ;-) I'm not sure I've ever laughed so much or felt so connected to people. Just thinking about it is making me nostalgic.
- varispeed 6y ago
  I don't think that it is a "fun" factor that keeps people addicted. It's the fear of withdrawals.
  - GordonS 6y ago
    There are really two different things here: physical dependence (which can mean withdrawals on cessation), and psychological dependence (commonly referred to as "addiction").
- pwr33 6y ago
  I did psychedelics for many years and nearly every day for well over a year. In total I have had at least 500-600 experiences with various psychedelics, especially mushrooms, LSD, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 2C-I and 2C-P. I was addicted in some sense definitely, though apparently most people don't feel that way. I had to do tons of cocaine to stop my heaviest phase of psychedelic use and since then I have only used them occasionally over the years.
anonporridge 6y ago
The nature of psychedelics makes it difficult to overuse them. Your body will actually build a tolerance to them and they'll stop working if you use too regularly. You also don't establish a physiological addiction like you do with drugs like nicotine and sugar. Finally, the dosage required is absurdly small and would be extremely cheap to mass produce. You can grow mushrooms relatively easy in your damn closet. It's not like it's a patented designer drug. Will people created patented designer psychedelics? Certainly. But it seems to me like it would be a similar kind of problem to people buying Fiji water when nearly the same stuff is flowing out the tap for damn near free.
- simion314 6y ago
  You can also grow tabacco or make alcohol yourself, so I still expecting a giant industry that will try it's best to hide the side effects, blame the victim when something goes wrong, put billions in ads to make it look cool to use their products. Why would you take micro doses of mushrooms rather then use an approved anti-depressant treatment? Your home grown mushrooms might differ in concentrations, the one you buy might be low quality... I have nothing against the product, I am just anxious that it will be promoted as a miracle , "text mushrooms and your anxiety will be gone, your creativity is 10X better, see Joe the developer wrote this cool Rust project fueled just with weed and mushrooms in 48 hours" - I have a bias, I do not trust companies and capitalistic societies, they fuck the society for profit, we need to keep our eyes open on this studies, make impartial ones and maybe do something about misleading ads and posts promoting unsafe stuff.
amanaplanacanal 6y ago
I’ve seen it suggested that a reasonable legalization framework would be to legalize all drugs but not allow advertising. This would logically include getting rid of alcohol and tobacco advertising too.
pbadenski 6y ago
Surely, you must have sampled ethanol? ;)
heavyset_go 6y ago
5-HT2A agonists, which all classical psychedelics are, induce a strong tolerance that prevents people from abusing them everyday.
- quchen 6y ago
  Every day isn’t sustainable, but Psilocin/LSD tolerance builds as fast as it diminishes again, typically gone within a week or at most two. If you want to abuse them, the chemicals certainly won’t stop you. And when you’re in the mindset of getting hammered all the time no matter what you can just take Ketamine for a day, do less LSD but mix it with MDMA, and all those things. People can be very creative. Abuse is a person problem, not a chemical problem.

ceilingcorner 6y ago

Of course. And when multi billion dollar marketing budgets are put to work for weed and psychedelics, you can expect the same situation to occur as with tobacco or alcohol.

arcticbull 6y ago

Sure, for weed maybe. But psychedelics are very different. They're really, genuinely not addictive -- probably because they're not "fun." In fact, they're exhausting. You may feel a lot better after, the experience may be fascinating, but you're in absolutely no hurry to do it again. The whole thing lasts a few hours, but literally feels like months, with numerous epochs along the way. It's not like the kind of hollow calories of a bag of Cheetos, it's more like a long, difficult workout. That's hard to productize in that way.

bigfudge 6y ago
>probably because they're not "fun." You've been doing it wrong ;-) I'm not sure I've ever laughed so much or felt so connected to people. Just thinking about it is making me nostalgic.
varispeed 6y ago
I don't think that it is a "fun" factor that keeps people addicted. It's the fear of withdrawals.
- GordonS 6y ago
  There are really two different things here: physical dependence (which can mean withdrawals on cessation), and psychological dependence (commonly referred to as "addiction").
pwr33 6y ago
I did psychedelics for many years and nearly every day for well over a year. In total I have had at least 500-600 experiences with various psychedelics, especially mushrooms, LSD, 5-MeO-MiPT, 5-MeO-DMT, 2C-I and 2C-P. I was addicted in some sense definitely, though apparently most people don't feel that way. I had to do tons of cocaine to stop my heaviest phase of psychedelic use and since then I have only used them occasionally over the years.

anonporridge 6y ago

The nature of psychedelics makes it difficult to overuse them. Your body will actually build a tolerance to them and they'll stop working if you use too regularly. You also don't establish a physiological addiction like you do with drugs like nicotine and sugar. Finally, the dosage required is absurdly small and would be extremely cheap to mass produce. You can grow mushrooms relatively easy in your damn closet. It's not like it's a patented designer drug. Will people created patented designer psychedelics? Certainly. But it seems to me like it would be a similar kind of problem to people buying Fiji water when nearly the same stuff is flowing out the tap for damn near free.

simion314 6y ago
You can also grow tabacco or make alcohol yourself, so I still expecting a giant industry that will try it's best to hide the side effects, blame the victim when something goes wrong, put billions in ads to make it look cool to use their products. Why would you take micro doses of mushrooms rather then use an approved anti-depressant treatment? Your home grown mushrooms might differ in concentrations, the one you buy might be low quality... I have nothing against the product, I am just anxious that it will be promoted as a miracle , "text mushrooms and your anxiety will be gone, your creativity is 10X better, see Joe the developer wrote this cool Rust project fueled just with weed and mushrooms in 48 hours" - I have a bias, I do not trust companies and capitalistic societies, they fuck the society for profit, we need to keep our eyes open on this studies, make impartial ones and maybe do something about misleading ads and posts promoting unsafe stuff.

amanaplanacanal 6y ago

I’ve seen it suggested that a reasonable legalization framework would be to legalize all drugs but not allow advertising. This would logically include getting rid of alcohol and tobacco advertising too.

pbadenski 6y ago

Surely, you must have sampled ethanol? ;)

heavyset_go 6y ago

5-HT2A agonists, which all classical psychedelics are, induce a strong tolerance that prevents people from abusing them everyday.

quchen 6y ago
Every day isn’t sustainable, but Psilocin/LSD tolerance builds as fast as it diminishes again, typically gone within a week or at most two. If you want to abuse them, the chemicals certainly won’t stop you. And when you’re in the mindset of getting hammered all the time no matter what you can just take Ketamine for a day, do less LSD but mix it with MDMA, and all those things. People can be very creative. Abuse is a person problem, not a chemical problem.