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> all run by white European men in their twenties, I should say what kind of perspective adds this? there's no such thing as "white European" in Europe. This i
by barredo 5y ago
> all run by white European men in their twenties, I should say
what kind of perspective adds this? there's no such thing as "white European" in Europe. This is an Americanism
- m00x 5y agoAmerican race baiting
- xrd 5y agoI'm confused by your comment. Isn't the article stating that the musicians that created the genre (madlib, jaylib) are black American men, which is in direct contrast to the white Europeans running these channels? There are non white Europeans in Europe of course, so it seems interesting to me to hear that they are non black and non American. What are you adding to that fact that makes you upset? Edit: not sure why autocorrect turned jaylib into kaylin..
- peytn 5y agoNujabes kinda popularized the genre as well. It would be weird and unnecessarily racially charged if the author referred to him as a “yellow Japanese man.”
- brendoelfrendo 5y agoI mean, yes, but only because "yellow" has pejorative connotations that "white" and "black" don't have. I don't see how saying "white European" is controversial. There are Black Europeans, Asian Europeans, etc., and the author is pointing out that these channels are not run by someone from those groups. Now to be fair, if I find any part problematic it's the "European" bit; I assumed they meant "white Europeans from western Europe," which is what that phrase connotes to me, but the vagaries of referring to an entire continent are usually best avoided, I think.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 5y agoIt would blow an American blogger's mind to learn that you can live your whole life in certain parts of Eastern Europe and not see a single black person.
- brendoelfrendo 5y agoI really doubt it would and I'm not sure why that's relevant to the point the author was making.
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- smt1 5y agoThose connotations probably depend on the country, tbh. I assume it's an American pov.
- jayd16 5y agoYou would probably just say a native Japanese man to imply both Japanese descent and nationality.
- bsamuels 5y agowhite and black is an artifact of the American caste system. It has meaning to you because you are an American, it is the system you live in. In Europe, it does not have meaning. blackness and whiteness is not a thing in the way it is in America. Europeans only become white or black when they move to America or Americans address them. Hope this helps
- brendoelfrendo 5y agoBoy you should really look into racism and ethnic violence in Europe, because I think you'd be shocked to learn that "black" and "white" DO actually mean things to Europeans. To be fair, Europe is a diverse place and I don't intend to paint with a broad brush; things are worse some places than others. But man, every time someone pops in and says "those are American problems" it makes me cringe. Hope this helps.
- rolisz 5y agoEthnic yes, but that includes lot of "violence" between whites of different nations. Swiss people look down on all surrounding "poorer" nations, Romanians vs Hungarians, etc.
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- hourislate 5y ago>In Europe, it does not have meaning. blackness and whiteness is not a thing in the way it is in America. You must be from Western Europe. You've never been to Eastern Europe have you...
- redisman 5y agoWestern Europe is plenty racist. I have no idea what kind of bubble the parent commenter lives in
- mastazi 5y ago> Isn't the article stating that the musicians that created the genre (madlib, kaylin) are black American men No, the article isn't saying that, that's what makes the sentence cited by parent seem so gratuitous to a random reader like me. (There is a section that mentions the names of some musicians who contributed to the genre, but without specifying their nationality or racial background). PS It seems that the name Kaylin is not in the article.
- larrykubin 5y agoJomaTech has one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVKaAV_7-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmVKaAV_7-A
- 908B64B197 5y agoDidn't he get caught stealing someone else's coding interview prep product and selling it on YouTube? [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6__x7WwyLDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6__x7WwyLDI
- inawarminister 5y agoAmericans don't really get how each subrace, nationality, and clans in the Old World can hate each other and have alliance not based on skin color like they do in america (currently) but with more complex factors. See how neighboring South Slavs massacring each other only a generation ago, or East Asians currently, and of course in Africa proper.
- dang 5y agoPlease don't do this on HN. Not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- inawarminister 5y agoThanks for the reminder Dang, will not do it again. I've no skin in the game anyways.
- seriousquestion 5y ago> This is an Americanism That "an" is an important an.
- dang 5y agoPlease don't take HN threads straight into flamewar right off the bat. Cherry-picking the detail you find most provocative and rushing to the comments to copy and complain about it is a recipe for poor-quality discussion. We're trying for better than that on HN. Especially in this case, where the provocation could not be more off topic. You should leave such things where you find them, not drag them in here and set them on fire. I'm sure that wasn't your intent—and really the upvoters do the greater part of the damage—but it is the effect nevertheless. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=troll%20effects%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html