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> "In fairness: within the last year or two they finally seem to have hired some staff members who finally get it and are taking steps towards actually fixing t
by jodrellblank 6y ago
> "In fairness: within the last year or two they finally seem to have hired some staff members who finally get it and are taking steps towards actually fixing the site's moderation problems."
That is such a time frame to choose; right in the middle of it, 1 year 6 months ago, the Monica incident happened[1]. Do you mean before that or after that?
In summary, StackOverflow said they were discussing a code of conduct that would mandate volunteer moderators use someone's preferred pronouns. Monica, a widely respected moderator, asked if she could continue using gender-neutral language under the proposed code of conduct. They kicked her out alledging (incorrectly) that this was a statement of intent to break the rules they hadn't brought in yet. Then 50+ other moderators stood down in protest[2]. Then the company doubled down on their decision and their following silences. This unravelled into a lot of people voicing their discontent with the way the StackExchange company interacts with the volunteer mods and the community, and builds on the back of the ~2019 one-sided changes to try and make the community more welcoming to new users by being harder on the people who are already the community, and how badly that went down, and company employee leaks saying the company is not engaging with the community, and an apparent increase in pushing for money to return to investors rather than any other mission.
Right about the same time, they retrospectively relicensed all questions, answers and comments ever submitted, possibly illegally, and then refused for a long time to comment on it.[3]
[1] https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5193/stack-overflow-inc-sinat-chinam-and-the-goat-for-azazel https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5193/stack-... and a related post covering other things the company has done fairly badly ~1 year ago - https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/342950/ https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/342950/
[2] https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-and-forced-relicensing-is-stack-exchange-still-interested-in-cooper https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-...
[3] https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333089/stack-exchange-and-stack-overflow-have-moved-to-cc-by-sa-4-0 https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333089/stack-exchan...
- NobodyNada 6y agoYeah, I’m referring to after all of that. 2020 felt so much longer than a year, so my time interval was way off. I was referencing stuff like the closure changes [1], review queue redesign [2], and the updates to the “ask” page [3]. Again, I haven’t been on SO much lately so I don’t now how well that’s been working out or how receptive they’ve been to Meta feedback, but it’s reassuring to see they’re finally focusing on parts of the site that have needed it desperately for so many years. Additionally, they seem to be doing better about listening to Meta (at least compared to the “0.015%” reign of terror). [1]: https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394871/upcoming-feature-new-question-close-experience https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/394871/upcoming-fea... [2]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/346901/improving-the-review-queues-project-overview https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/346901/improving-th... [3]: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344513/the-new-ask-page-is-now-live-on-the-network https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344513/the-new-ask-...