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Please, make yourself uncomfortable

205 points by buf 15y ago

dolvlo 15y ago
Bad advice, bad writer
petercooper 15y ago
These days, I find myself doing the things I’ve always wanted to do, like being amazing. And when I’m tired of being amazing, I take a nap and be amazing again. Losing your attachment to "things" could help you be more amazing too - and how!
potatolicious 15y ago
Agreed on all points except the selling off of the wardrobe. Like it or not, the world rewards well-dressed, well-manicured people in a pretty absurdly extreme way.
- fleitz 15y ago
  You can pack a pretty good wardrobe with a few items. One nice suit jacket, a pair of jeans, a couple ties and a couple shirts. The shirts and ties you pick colors carefully so the mix, it will look like you're wearing a different suit everyday. Jeans for casual events, or mix with the jacket. All thats really missing is a pair of dress shoes and a pair of walking shoes. With a little thinking you can mostly fit your life in carry on.
  - potatolicious 15y ago
    Agreed, was more referring to the "just pants and tech t-shirts" thing... it's passable, particularly in our industry, but one might be surprised at how many doors open (and how many open doors fall into your lap) when you just happen to be well-dressed.
    - nostrademons 15y ago
      Ask HN: Where can a nerdy hacker go to find out what sort of casual clothes are in style and look pretty good? I'm thinking specifically of dates, where you won't be wearing a suit or anything terribly formal, but still want to give off the impression of being successful, stylish, handsome, and hip without being overbearing. I have no intention of actually becoming well-dressed, but I figure it'd be nice to have a couple of outfits that show that I do, in fact, clean up pretty nicely.
      - GHFigs 15y ago
        http://putthison.com/ http://putthison.com/, the series and blog are both nice, and the accompanying "Sites we Like" sidebar is everything the other commenter mentioned and then some. In my experience, having a female friend you can get rapid feedback from is invaluable, too.
      - rdouble 15y ago
        Gilt's manual, a continuous lean, the sartorialist, hickorees, selectism (and related sites), hypebeast, styleforum, and so on. Go to those sites and there will be links to loads more similar sites. There was a lot less cognitive fashion overhead required for males when everyone just wore the same suit every day. That said, if you bought all your clothes from j.crew and maybe some hoodies and t-shirts from american apparel, you'd be covered for 98% of north american dating and office working situations. (losing out on dates with extreme hipsters, goths, gutter punks, fashion plates, ravers, nudists, hell's angels, and the amish)
      - brianwillis 15y ago
        The Male Fashion Advice subreddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice) has some interesting discussion and advice. Check the sidebar on the right for specific issues. Bear in mind that like any community it has certain strong personalities that set the tone for everyone else. If your instincts say "following this advice will make me look ridiculous" then you're probably right.
      - dagw 15y ago
  - mooftard 15y ago
    Don't forget a pair of suit pants to go with your suit jacket. http://oppugn.us/posts/1274663044.html http://oppugn.us/posts/1274663044.html
  - prostoalex 15y ago
    What about the day when it's time to wash that pair of jeans?
    - mmariani 15y ago
      Here they have some cool tips about denim. http://vimeo.com/7391362 http://vimeo.com/7391362
    - fleitz 15y ago
      I'd recommend wearing the suit that day, but if you're less modest than I there are other solutions.
- buf 15y ago
  Excellent point. There is definitely a suit and tie in my wardrobe, and even a pair of dress shoes. By no means did I mean to imply that we should all lose our basic hygiene standards. I buy new clothes when the others get old, and the turnover is pretty high. What I meant to imply was that choosing what to wear is a tedious task. Clothing piles up. If you haven't worn something in 6 months (unless it's seasonal), you probably won't.
  - ChrisLTD 15y ago
    Isn't that why Steve Jobs wears the same thing every day?
    - Psyonic 15y ago
      Steve Jobs wears the same thing every day because he's Steve Jobs. All doors are opened for him regardless.
  - potatolicious 15y ago
    I wasn't really talking about suit and tie though - sure, there are functions where everyone dresses up, even the most die-hard of UNIX greybeards. I also wasn't talking about making sure everything is clean (though it should be!) I was talking about maintaining a more fashionable wardrobe (and there are many definitions of this, but t-shirt/jeans doesn't qualify under any of them) for everyday life. It doesn't have to be big, or extensive, but spending brain-cycles on dressing yourself is more often than not worth it. Sometimes all it takes to open a door you never thought would open is well-fitted jeans, a well-cut collared shirt, and a broad smile. Or hell, sometimes opening doors is a flannel shirt, vintage t-shirt, and Converse sneakers. The standard geek ensemble, I've noticed, doesn't do much. Your mode of attire is a form of communication, whether we like it or not.
ctide 15y ago
Articles like this make me really happy I am who I am. The fact that you need to sell most of your belongings and turn your apartment into a barren wasteland to be happy is no better than feeling like you need to buy things to be happy.
- kerryfalk 15y ago
  I don't see your point. Can you expand on it a bit? I live like the OP. I barely own anything and I avoid distractions like the plague (There are some I still fight to avoid at certain times... HN). The increased focus is liberating. I would see needing to buy things as trying to fill a hole and ridding yourself of those things as trying to cure the issue. They may be rooted in the same problem, but are they really the same?
  - ctide 15y ago
    Sure, the point is that either way (either by compulsively buying things, or needing to purge down to the absolute bare necessities) you're allowing consumer goods to control you. Those of us who don't feel consumed by goods would gain nothing by purging of everything. I own all the things that the OP purged off in his need to cleanse, but, none of those ever get in the way of me going out. My point is simply this: I read things like this all the time, and it makes me very happy that I don't feel compelled to control my belongings to be able to live a happy life.
    - DanielStraight 15y ago
      "Paraplegics are often unhappy, but they are not unhappy all the time because they spend most of the time experiencing and thinking about other things than their disability. When we think of what it is like to be a paraplegic, or blind, or a lottery winner, or a resident of California we focus on the distinctive aspects of each of these conditions. The mismatch in the allocation of attention between thinking about a life condition and actually living it is the cause of the focusing illusion." http://edge.org/response-detail/1703/what-scientific-concept-would-improve-everybodys-cognitive-toolkit http://edge.org/response-detail/1703/what-scientific-concept... In other words, when you're reading how someone improved their life by paring down possessions, it may sound like they define themselves by compulsively purging possessions, but they probably don't. It just seems that way because all you're seeing while reading their writing is one aspect of their life. You are focusing your attention on only one of hundreds, if not thousands, of the author's opinions and life decisions.
seanalltogether 15y ago
This post reminds me of the adage "Americans Live to Work".
rawsyntax 15y ago
I did this once... about 4 years ago. I found that I became a very uninteresting person. I worked and had no hobbies. Now I have more stuff, but not so much stuff that it restricts me from hanging out with friends. I think it's more important to not buy stuff that will take away your time, or increase your obligations.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  I think it's more important to not buy stuff that will take away your time, or increase your obligations. Heh... maybe I better not get a dog after all.
fourk 15y ago
'Now when people ask, “Hey Buf, happy hour? A bunch of us are going out to Bloodhound,” I don’t have to spend my night at home watching Battlestar Gallactica in my boxers eating cheetos off my fat naked belly.' Hate to break it to you, Buf, but you didn't have to spend your night like that. You had a choice, and it may make sense for you to restrict your options for future decision making by getting rid of your material things, but it's sort of presumptuous to assume that most people are just as bad at making decisions. Edit: Maybe I'm in the minority here, how many of you also feel totally and uncontrollably compelled to sit at home and interact with your material possessions when offered a choice between that and an opportunity to go out and interact with friends?
rdouble 15y ago
Living in an architect designed minimalist space is one thing, but having an empty "regular" apartment can put a strain on interpersonal relationships. It's a turn off to a lot of people if your apartment looks like a temporary crack den and there's no place to sit down.
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  Aside from interpersonal considerations... why would you make your home an uncomfortable place to be?
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  - olliesaunders 15y ago
    To disincentivize being there. If you have an office, being at home is actually a pretty crappy place to be. You’re neither out meeting people and having fun nor working; lose the video games and go do some improv or skydiving I say.
    - pavel_lishin 15y ago
      I'm one of those classical introverts who needs a lot of downtime to recharge. If I were to do improv on Tuesday, it effectively guarantees that I'll be staying in on Wednesday and reading a book, or writing some code, or doing something that I find enjoyable.
- usaar333 15y ago
  If you have an office, this might not affect you so much. I think my gf might be the only person that has ever been to my apartment. Plenty of friends and acquaintances have chilled at my office, however.
pavel_lishin 15y ago
> I don’t have things to hang on the walls. I rarely visit the kitchen. My apartment is a barren place. I dislike spending long hours there. That part sounds stupid. Why are you making your home an uncomfortable environment? That's not minimalism, that's self-flagellation. Is he spending all of his time at work?
- matthavener 15y ago
  The idea is that you're a working machine. You think the terminator hangs photos in his house? Trick question, the terminator doesn't have a home. I bet this guy wouldn't either if he didn't need to. He lives to work
  - pavel_lishin 15y ago
    Kahm with me eef you vant to code.
kmfrk 15y ago
First I thought this was satire. Then I got the idea that he might be serious. Then I was convinced it was satire. Now I just don't know anymore.
Mz 15y ago
I own very few possessions. I have done this to make myself far more comfortable than it is supposed to be possible for me to be. I have a serious medical condition and getting rid of things has also gotten rid of germs and dust and such. My brain also works better because I'm not so sick, thus concentration and the like have improved. Clearly, I have a strong personal bias, but I read this and can't help but wonder if he feels better and gets more done and all that for the same reason I feel better and get more done and all that: He's simply healthier.
jabo 15y ago
Balancing materialism and minimalism would be the best thing to do IMO. At either extremes you will always have people who have switched over from the other extreme, thinking the grass is greener on the other side. You will also have people arguing religiously about how their respective extreme is good. But at the center there's balance, low entropy and equilibrium.
thekevan 15y ago
I have trouble taking someone seriously when they pepper what could have been an insightful post with reddit meme references.
andrewcross 15y ago
I kept thinking of Fight Club while I was reading this blog post. More or less the same minimalism, just without the ass kicking.
- mcantor 15y ago
  The last paragraph is a Chuck Palahnuik quote! Seems like you got the mindset the author was coming from. :->
ISeemToBeAVerb 15y ago
I'm somewhat like the OP, but my intentions were nothing like his. I got rid of 95% of my stuff, not because it was distracting, but because I never used most of it. I also move a lot and I hate lugging inessentials around from place to place. To this day, I can basically live out of a duffel bag (minus my desktop computer and guitar). I like to travel a lot, so that works for me. Is it right for everyone? Absolutely not. One commenter pointed out below that after getting rid of everything he felt "uninteresting". I can relate to that because that's exactly how I felt when I got rid of most of my stuff. However, I now believe the opposite to be true. Personally, I put a lot of who I was into all the cool toys and records I had amassed, but when that is gone, either due to intention or accident (such as a fire), what are you left with? A big gaping hole, that's what. Filling that hole can be difficult, but I've found it to be a very rewarding experience for my own personal growth. In the end, I kept the things that allow me to create and ditched most of the things I simply consumed. I'm not at all anti-owning-stuff, I just believe that if I buy something it needs to be something I'll use over and over again. Really, how much you want to own is nothing more than a personal choice based on how you want to live your life and where you want to allocate your resources. Not that controversial a topic in my opinion.
ek 15y ago
Let me start by stating that I think I understand the point of this article. As a student, for example, I often opt to study in the library in lieu of getting work done in my own domicile because I know that the relative discomfort combined with the silence and isolation will help me do the needful. I understand selling the TV and all that, but I don't understand why OP would sell a bicycle or see not cooking as an expression of a minimalistic lifestyle. I mean, I suppose that if you rode your bicycle so infrequently that it was actually just sitting around and taking up space, it would be good to sell it, but a bicycle seems like one of those things that isn't really a distraction and sometimes comes in quite handy. Similarly, I don't understand why I've met and heard about so many people that take this strange sort of pride in not cooking for themselves. Cooking is one of these things like taking regular exercise that it seems important to make time for, because by not knowing how or making time to cook, you are exposing yourself to a waste of money and generally worse nutrition than you would be able to achieve in your own kitchen.
- Tsagadai 15y ago
  There is also a "I don't cook" worst case scenario which occasionally hits people hard, social unrest. Try going to a restaurant when the streets are in full riot mode. I had a conversation with a guy who found himself in this exact situation. He spent three days hungry because it wasn't safe to go outside and he had no food in his house. This situation happens a lot and can happen suddenly, and has happened at least once almost everywhere.
drewblaisdell 15y ago
This post should have been called "having ADD sucks."
keeptrying 15y ago
I think your "stuff" should be a reflection of your present goals/way of thinking. I dont believe in minimalism per se because it can get in the way of achieving things you want. For eg: if you want to get good at a sport, your going to have a lot of sports gear - (the better you are the less you usually need but as a beginner you need much more stuff). I do however think that minimalism is useful as a tool to get to the right amount of stuff for people who presently have huge amounts of stuff. Get rid of all your stuff and then afterwards buy back what you realize that you need. This will be a much faster way than trying to decide one-by-one which of pieces of stuff you should keep. What usually happens is that "stuff" accumulates - it doesnt disappear on its own. You have to put in extra effort to get rid of it. Having old and useless crap around you does distract the mind - a lot. Also you worry about it and there is also the associated guilt of not having taken the time to get rid of it. That is the problem with having too much stuff. It deadens you without you realizing. I have recently gotten rid of a lot of my stuff for a cross country move. And I basically got rid of anything that I didnt use in the last 2 years. Books were actually the hardest to get rid of. In the end what I discovered was, that without any stuff, my _real_ problems became abundantly clear. Clear as daylight. And I could focus on solving only them.
- gnosis 15y ago
  I don't find owning lots of stuff distracting at all. It's just all there should I need any of it. For instance, if I need some super-glue, it's there. Should I need a certain color marker, it's there. If I decide to go camping, I'm not going to have to buy all sorts of camping gear (from sleeping bags to tents and everything in between) because I've already got it. Etc.. However, I do admit that owning lots of stuff has some serious disadvantages. In particular, it makes moving from place to place a huge pain in the butt, and makes it that much less likely that you'll move at all. Without many possessions, you are much more easily able to just pick up and go wherever you feel like going on a moment's notice... and that is a real gift.
  - keeptrying 15y ago
    Unless you've lived with less stuff, youd never know how much of a difference it makes. It's very freeing. Also I'm talking about stuff u haven't used in 2 years.
eridius 15y ago
The takeaway I got from this is that I need to handle my sofa issue. Only then will I be happy.
derrida 15y ago
I've got one: Don't have a computer/video-console/television at home (I admit I am writing this from work). Basically by not having a computer at home, I don't have a bottom-well of comfort called 'reddit' around, so I might go over some other humps to get to another well of comfort, at the moment that is Hofstadters "Godel, Escher, Bach". Also, books are above watching television but below working in effort. Get some. They are great. Also, about 30% of the university educated population maintains a rule, that I myself follow; If you don't have decent books lying around, I won't sleep with you... books are an indicator of what you accept as relaxing, beautiful and comforting. I am sorry to say, that even the most intelligent people who relax using the internet, probably have something like reddit or hacker news as their comfort zone.
- grannyg00se 15y ago
  What's so special about "decent books"? What if you prefer to use an Ereader? And what's wrong with Hacker News? Through HN I've found TED and KhanAcademy. I'll put Hacker News, TED, and KhanAcademy up against your "decent book" library for comfort and see no reason why someone would discriminate based on that. Interesting criteria you have. I'm highly skeptical of your 30% statistic.
  - derrida 15y ago
    What is special about them is that I can judge their covers and thus judge the person reading them. If your e-reader permanently displays everybook you have read or showed a vague interest in at some point on your wall without seeming like its immodest bragging, then your e-reader may woo me into bed (starup idea!). I am skeptical of my 30% statistic myself, otherwise I might have had more sex.
    - Psyonic 15y ago
      If you've got them back to your apartment to view your books you're 75% of the way there (not true for house parties, etc, but you get my point). I really don't think many people are going to bail at that point due to a lack of displayed books.
product50 15y ago
Unfortunately, I think the author is actually making himself comfortable. He is uncomfortable with his current state rather than his future state..
zavulon 15y ago
Am I the only one who thought this was sarcasm? I mean, seriously: > I don’t have things to hang on the walls. I rarely visit the kitchen. My apartment is a barren place. I dislike spending long hours there. > I even stand all day to make sure I don’t get too sleepy in my comfortable chair. > There was this guy at work that loved to talk, and he frequently came by my desk just to chat. I tried everything from asking him to leave to closing the door in his face. The motherfucker simply wouldn’t shut up. The solution was to kill him (explain to him that he’s distracting me). Unrelated note: There’s an opening for a front end engineer at Eventbrite. It's pretty clear to me that entire thing is a joke (and not only the last thing I quoted).. no one can seriously be that detached from reality... right?
- Evgeny 15y ago
  It's pretty clear to me that entire thing is a joke No it's not ... these things you quoted do not seem extreme to me. I'm living alone now. I have no idea why someone would hang stuff on walls. I wouldn't stand all day, but I don't spend all day at home and my chair is a cheap wooden one from IKEA. Between work, lifting weights/doing martial arts and some extra studies I'm doing, I don't have that much time to spend at home anyway, other than sleeping. I spend time in the kitchen because I prefer to cook my food, but I only have the most basic stuff and I spend as little time in the kitchen as possible - i.e. cook enough for several days so I don't have to worry about that every day. And I do hate small useless talk too. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to have a short conversation about the weekend plans or something like that. But, indeed, there are people that just don't know when to stop or don't understand when they go from polite to annoying. I totally understand where the author is coming from. Of course, when I start living with someone else again that will change, but for now that's how it is.
iskander 15y ago
Everyone has their own balance. I sold my car 4 years ago (biking feels better), I never bought a TV, etc... On the other hand, I like inviting people over for drinks, potlucks, etc... So, owning decent cookware and some living room furniture adds a lot to my life. The important thing seems to be to step outside automatic assumptions and actually figure what makes you happier (and what drains your energy).
- bambax 15y ago
  > owning decent cookware and some living room furniture adds a lot to my life Yes. The debate between "having things" and "not having things" seems wrong-headed and the OP sounds a bit like a thing-vegan. "I gave up things and now I'm sooo much healthier". Things are tools. You should own things in order to do something with them, not because merely having them makes you happy (or because not having them makes you look cool (you think)). Also, you find that good tools are often old tools, because you know them well; since you know their flaws they slow you much less than having to learn the workings of a shiny new version. (Joel Spolsky talks about this somewhere when he says he's still using Corel Draw). My motorbike is 14 years old. I'd find it hard to live without a motorbike, but I certainly don't need to buy a new one when the current one is still running.
sliverstorm 15y ago
Mild discomfiture can be a great motivator to spur yourself to change. The trick, I have been learning, is to make sure you don't grow to accept the discomfiture. You can totally get used to things like sleeping on the floor or eating bland food, but really you gain nothing from it, and it's just kind of sad. (spoken as a guy who has done this before)
rospaya 15y ago
How about practicing self control? I have an Xbox one meter away from where I work, but don't use it unless I have friends over and we have fun. Something probably unknown to a person that sold his bike because he dislikes comfort.
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paulnelligan 15y ago
There still doesn't sound like there's much balance there ... where's the good food and exercise??, it matters!
nsomaru 15y ago
Spiritual masters have been declaring these truths for millennia. More recently, in the Bhagavad Gita, Krsna states (paraphrase): "That which is nectar in the beginning becomes poison in the end/ That which is poison in the beginning becomes nectar in the end" Your experiences seem to verify this.
lhnz 15y ago
There are some technical solutions for the problem of distraction online. Some of these are addons for browsers while others affect the whole computer. :) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gpdgmmdbbbchchonpfanphofpplhmcmn https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gpdgmmdbbbchchonpf... http://anti-social.cc/ http://anti-social.cc/ http://blog.binaryswitch.com/2010/02/binaryswitch-eclipse.html http://blog.binaryswitch.com/2010/02/binaryswitch-eclipse.ht...
wccrawford 15y ago
I'm exactly the opposite. If I'm not comfortable, I will spend all my time and money working towards being comfortable. Once I'm comfortable, then I can actually get other stuff done. This goes for home (play vs side projects) and work (fixing my working environment to remove pain points) and pretty much everything I do.
yock 15y ago
I don't think I'm on board with all of his suggestions (who would want to make their home uninviting?), but he makes a couple good points in a pleasantly amusing way.
gomphus 15y ago
Many of the comments here debate materialism vs. minimalism, in terms of which provides a truer path to happiness. But the author of the post wasn't trying to be happy - his goal is to become "uncomfortable", in order to work more productively. The main issue is not how much stuff the author has or doesn't have, but rather his spiritual and cultural impoverishment. He insists that progress in life is driven by unhappiness, and that comfortableness begets complacency. This simplistic argument says a lot about his personal failings and very little about the human psyche in general. Yes, some great things are born of discontent. But this dude is a computer programmer, not Ghandi. It apparently has not occurred to him to nurture a sense of sustained excitement over the creative process, to channel the joy and endless amusement of a life spent problem-solving and pushing intellectual boundaries, or to get happily enthused about developing his own original ideas. If drooling over video games and giggling at Reddit memes is your default 'comfortable' behaviour, then yes, by all means, take drastic measures to suppress your immaturity. (I'd personally keep very quiet about it.)
- samlevine 15y ago
  Video games are immature? I thought the average gamer was in his mid 30s (I can look up the source if you'd like).
  - gnosis 15y ago
    Just because someone's in his mid 30s doesn't mean he's mature. Many adults constantly act like children, particularly if they're in the political profession.
  - chadgeidel 15y ago
    http://www.themarysue.com/gaming-statistics/ http://www.themarysue.com/gaming-statistics/
hxa7241 15y ago
As Eckermann recorded Goethe saying, on Friday 1831-03-25: Goethe showed me an elegant green elbow-chair, which he had lately bought at an auction. "However," said he, "I shall use it but little, or not at all; for all kinds of commodiousness are against my nature. You see in my chamber no sofa; I always sit in my old wooden chair, and never till a few weeks ago have I had a leaning-place put for my head. If surrounded by convenient tasteful furniture, my thoughts are absorbed, and I am placed in an agreeable but passive state. Unless we are accustomed to them from early youth, splendid chambers and elegant furniture are for people who neither have nor can have any thoughts." http://www.hxa.name/books/ecog/Eckermann-ConversationsOfGoethe-1831.html#v12_1831-03-25 http://www.hxa.name/books/ecog/Eckermann-ConversationsOfGoet...
mcantor 15y ago
This reminds me of a less developed version of the advice Leo Babauta gives in his short book, "Focus": http://focusmanifesto.com/ http://focusmanifesto.com/ I highly recommend it. It takes maybe a couple of hours to read, and it's very dense with good ideas, suggestions and observations about how we interact with distractions. He doesn't go the extreme route of destroying them like this article's author; instead, he acknowledges that distraction can be fun and even a necessity to inspiration, but that we need the tools to quash it when we need to focus.

205 points by buf 15y ago

Bad advice, bad writer

These days, I find myself doing the things I’ve always wanted to do, like being amazing. And when I’m tired of being amazing, I take a nap and be amazing again. Losing your attachment to "things" could help you be more amazing too - and how!

potatolicious 15y ago

Agreed on all points except the selling off of the wardrobe. Like it or not, the world rewards well-dressed, well-manicured people in a pretty absurdly extreme way.

fleitz 15y ago
You can pack a pretty good wardrobe with a few items. One nice suit jacket, a pair of jeans, a couple ties and a couple shirts. The shirts and ties you pick colors carefully so the mix, it will look like you're wearing a different suit everyday. Jeans for casual events, or mix with the jacket. All thats really missing is a pair of dress shoes and a pair of walking shoes. With a little thinking you can mostly fit your life in carry on.
- potatolicious 15y ago
  Agreed, was more referring to the "just pants and tech t-shirts" thing... it's passable, particularly in our industry, but one might be surprised at how many doors open (and how many open doors fall into your lap) when you just happen to be well-dressed.
  - nostrademons 15y ago
    Ask HN: Where can a nerdy hacker go to find out what sort of casual clothes are in style and look pretty good? I'm thinking specifically of dates, where you won't be wearing a suit or anything terribly formal, but still want to give off the impression of being successful, stylish, handsome, and hip without being overbearing. I have no intention of actually becoming well-dressed, but I figure it'd be nice to have a couple of outfits that show that I do, in fact, clean up pretty nicely.
    - GHFigs 15y ago
      http://putthison.com/ http://putthison.com/, the series and blog are both nice, and the accompanying "Sites we Like" sidebar is everything the other commenter mentioned and then some. In my experience, having a female friend you can get rapid feedback from is invaluable, too.
    - rdouble 15y ago
      Gilt's manual, a continuous lean, the sartorialist, hickorees, selectism (and related sites), hypebeast, styleforum, and so on. Go to those sites and there will be links to loads more similar sites. There was a lot less cognitive fashion overhead required for males when everyone just wore the same suit every day. That said, if you bought all your clothes from j.crew and maybe some hoodies and t-shirts from american apparel, you'd be covered for 98% of north american dating and office working situations. (losing out on dates with extreme hipsters, goths, gutter punks, fashion plates, ravers, nudists, hell's angels, and the amish)
    - brianwillis 15y ago
      The Male Fashion Advice subreddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice) has some interesting discussion and advice. Check the sidebar on the right for specific issues. Bear in mind that like any community it has certain strong personalities that set the tone for everyone else. If your instincts say "following this advice will make me look ridiculous" then you're probably right.
    - dagw 15y ago
- mooftard 15y ago
  Don't forget a pair of suit pants to go with your suit jacket. http://oppugn.us/posts/1274663044.html http://oppugn.us/posts/1274663044.html
- prostoalex 15y ago
  What about the day when it's time to wash that pair of jeans?
  - mmariani 15y ago
    Here they have some cool tips about denim. http://vimeo.com/7391362 http://vimeo.com/7391362
  - fleitz 15y ago
    I'd recommend wearing the suit that day, but if you're less modest than I there are other solutions.
buf 15y ago
Excellent point. There is definitely a suit and tie in my wardrobe, and even a pair of dress shoes. By no means did I mean to imply that we should all lose our basic hygiene standards. I buy new clothes when the others get old, and the turnover is pretty high. What I meant to imply was that choosing what to wear is a tedious task. Clothing piles up. If you haven't worn something in 6 months (unless it's seasonal), you probably won't.
- ChrisLTD 15y ago
  Isn't that why Steve Jobs wears the same thing every day?
  - Psyonic 15y ago
    Steve Jobs wears the same thing every day because he's Steve Jobs. All doors are opened for him regardless.
- potatolicious 15y ago
  I wasn't really talking about suit and tie though - sure, there are functions where everyone dresses up, even the most die-hard of UNIX greybeards. I also wasn't talking about making sure everything is clean (though it should be!) I was talking about maintaining a more fashionable wardrobe (and there are many definitions of this, but t-shirt/jeans doesn't qualify under any of them) for everyday life. It doesn't have to be big, or extensive, but spending brain-cycles on dressing yourself is more often than not worth it. Sometimes all it takes to open a door you never thought would open is well-fitted jeans, a well-cut collared shirt, and a broad smile. Or hell, sometimes opening doors is a flannel shirt, vintage t-shirt, and Converse sneakers. The standard geek ensemble, I've noticed, doesn't do much. Your mode of attire is a form of communication, whether we like it or not.

ctide 15y ago

Articles like this make me really happy I am who I am. The fact that you need to sell most of your belongings and turn your apartment into a barren wasteland to be happy is no better than feeling like you need to buy things to be happy.

kerryfalk 15y ago
I don't see your point. Can you expand on it a bit? I live like the OP. I barely own anything and I avoid distractions like the plague (There are some I still fight to avoid at certain times... HN). The increased focus is liberating. I would see needing to buy things as trying to fill a hole and ridding yourself of those things as trying to cure the issue. They may be rooted in the same problem, but are they really the same?
- ctide 15y ago
  Sure, the point is that either way (either by compulsively buying things, or needing to purge down to the absolute bare necessities) you're allowing consumer goods to control you. Those of us who don't feel consumed by goods would gain nothing by purging of everything. I own all the things that the OP purged off in his need to cleanse, but, none of those ever get in the way of me going out. My point is simply this: I read things like this all the time, and it makes me very happy that I don't feel compelled to control my belongings to be able to live a happy life.
  - DanielStraight 15y ago
    "Paraplegics are often unhappy, but they are not unhappy all the time because they spend most of the time experiencing and thinking about other things than their disability. When we think of what it is like to be a paraplegic, or blind, or a lottery winner, or a resident of California we focus on the distinctive aspects of each of these conditions. The mismatch in the allocation of attention between thinking about a life condition and actually living it is the cause of the focusing illusion." http://edge.org/response-detail/1703/what-scientific-concept-would-improve-everybodys-cognitive-toolkit http://edge.org/response-detail/1703/what-scientific-concept... In other words, when you're reading how someone improved their life by paring down possessions, it may sound like they define themselves by compulsively purging possessions, but they probably don't. It just seems that way because all you're seeing while reading their writing is one aspect of their life. You are focusing your attention on only one of hundreds, if not thousands, of the author's opinions and life decisions.

seanalltogether 15y ago

This post reminds me of the adage "Americans Live to Work".

rawsyntax 15y ago

I did this once... about 4 years ago. I found that I became a very uninteresting person. I worked and had no hobbies. Now I have more stuff, but not so much stuff that it restricts me from hanging out with friends. I think it's more important to not buy stuff that will take away your time, or increase your obligations.

sliverstorm 15y ago
I think it's more important to not buy stuff that will take away your time, or increase your obligations. Heh... maybe I better not get a dog after all.

fourk 15y ago

'Now when people ask, “Hey Buf, happy hour? A bunch of us are going out to Bloodhound,” I don’t have to spend my night at home watching Battlestar Gallactica in my boxers eating cheetos off my fat naked belly.' Hate to break it to you, Buf, but you didn't have to spend your night like that. You had a choice, and it may make sense for you to restrict your options for future decision making by getting rid of your material things, but it's sort of presumptuous to assume that most people are just as bad at making decisions. Edit: Maybe I'm in the minority here, how many of you also feel totally and uncontrollably compelled to sit at home and interact with your material possessions when offered a choice between that and an opportunity to go out and interact with friends?

rdouble 15y ago

Living in an architect designed minimalist space is one thing, but having an empty "regular" apartment can put a strain on interpersonal relationships. It's a turn off to a lot of people if your apartment looks like a temporary crack den and there's no place to sit down.

pavel_lishin 15y ago
Aside from interpersonal considerations... why would you make your home an uncomfortable place to be?
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- olliesaunders 15y ago
  To disincentivize being there. If you have an office, being at home is actually a pretty crappy place to be. You’re neither out meeting people and having fun nor working; lose the video games and go do some improv or skydiving I say.
  - pavel_lishin 15y ago
    I'm one of those classical introverts who needs a lot of downtime to recharge. If I were to do improv on Tuesday, it effectively guarantees that I'll be staying in on Wednesday and reading a book, or writing some code, or doing something that I find enjoyable.
usaar333 15y ago
If you have an office, this might not affect you so much. I think my gf might be the only person that has ever been to my apartment. Plenty of friends and acquaintances have chilled at my office, however.

pavel_lishin 15y ago

> I don’t have things to hang on the walls. I rarely visit the kitchen. My apartment is a barren place. I dislike spending long hours there. That part sounds stupid. Why are you making your home an uncomfortable environment? That's not minimalism, that's self-flagellation. Is he spending all of his time at work?

matthavener 15y ago
The idea is that you're a working machine. You think the terminator hangs photos in his house? Trick question, the terminator doesn't have a home. I bet this guy wouldn't either if he didn't need to. He lives to work
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  Kahm with me eef you vant to code.

kmfrk 15y ago

First I thought this was satire. Then I got the idea that he might be serious. Then I was convinced it was satire. Now I just don't know anymore.

Mz 15y ago

I own very few possessions. I have done this to make myself far more comfortable than it is supposed to be possible for me to be. I have a serious medical condition and getting rid of things has also gotten rid of germs and dust and such. My brain also works better because I'm not so sick, thus concentration and the like have improved. Clearly, I have a strong personal bias, but I read this and can't help but wonder if he feels better and gets more done and all that for the same reason I feel better and get more done and all that: He's simply healthier.

jabo 15y ago

Balancing materialism and minimalism would be the best thing to do IMO. At either extremes you will always have people who have switched over from the other extreme, thinking the grass is greener on the other side. You will also have people arguing religiously about how their respective extreme is good. But at the center there's balance, low entropy and equilibrium.

thekevan 15y ago

I have trouble taking someone seriously when they pepper what could have been an insightful post with reddit meme references.

andrewcross 15y ago

I kept thinking of Fight Club while I was reading this blog post. More or less the same minimalism, just without the ass kicking.

mcantor 15y ago
The last paragraph is a Chuck Palahnuik quote! Seems like you got the mindset the author was coming from. :->

ISeemToBeAVerb 15y ago

I'm somewhat like the OP, but my intentions were nothing like his. I got rid of 95% of my stuff, not because it was distracting, but because I never used most of it. I also move a lot and I hate lugging inessentials around from place to place. To this day, I can basically live out of a duffel bag (minus my desktop computer and guitar). I like to travel a lot, so that works for me. Is it right for everyone? Absolutely not. One commenter pointed out below that after getting rid of everything he felt "uninteresting". I can relate to that because that's exactly how I felt when I got rid of most of my stuff. However, I now believe the opposite to be true. Personally, I put a lot of who I was into all the cool toys and records I had amassed, but when that is gone, either due to intention or accident (such as a fire), what are you left with? A big gaping hole, that's what. Filling that hole can be difficult, but I've found it to be a very rewarding experience for my own personal growth. In the end, I kept the things that allow me to create and ditched most of the things I simply consumed. I'm not at all anti-owning-stuff, I just believe that if I buy something it needs to be something I'll use over and over again. Really, how much you want to own is nothing more than a personal choice based on how you want to live your life and where you want to allocate your resources. Not that controversial a topic in my opinion.

ek 15y ago

Let me start by stating that I think I understand the point of this article. As a student, for example, I often opt to study in the library in lieu of getting work done in my own domicile because I know that the relative discomfort combined with the silence and isolation will help me do the needful. I understand selling the TV and all that, but I don't understand why OP would sell a bicycle or see not cooking as an expression of a minimalistic lifestyle. I mean, I suppose that if you rode your bicycle so infrequently that it was actually just sitting around and taking up space, it would be good to sell it, but a bicycle seems like one of those things that isn't really a distraction and sometimes comes in quite handy. Similarly, I don't understand why I've met and heard about so many people that take this strange sort of pride in not cooking for themselves. Cooking is one of these things like taking regular exercise that it seems important to make time for, because by not knowing how or making time to cook, you are exposing yourself to a waste of money and generally worse nutrition than you would be able to achieve in your own kitchen.

Tsagadai 15y ago
There is also a "I don't cook" worst case scenario which occasionally hits people hard, social unrest. Try going to a restaurant when the streets are in full riot mode. I had a conversation with a guy who found himself in this exact situation. He spent three days hungry because it wasn't safe to go outside and he had no food in his house. This situation happens a lot and can happen suddenly, and has happened at least once almost everywhere.

drewblaisdell 15y ago

This post should have been called "having ADD sucks."

keeptrying 15y ago

I think your "stuff" should be a reflection of your present goals/way of thinking. I dont believe in minimalism per se because it can get in the way of achieving things you want. For eg: if you want to get good at a sport, your going to have a lot of sports gear - (the better you are the less you usually need but as a beginner you need much more stuff). I do however think that minimalism is useful as a tool to get to the right amount of stuff for people who presently have huge amounts of stuff. Get rid of all your stuff and then afterwards buy back what you realize that you need. This will be a much faster way than trying to decide one-by-one which of pieces of stuff you should keep. What usually happens is that "stuff" accumulates - it doesnt disappear on its own. You have to put in extra effort to get rid of it. Having old and useless crap around you does distract the mind - a lot. Also you worry about it and there is also the associated guilt of not having taken the time to get rid of it. That is the problem with having too much stuff. It deadens you without you realizing. I have recently gotten rid of a lot of my stuff for a cross country move. And I basically got rid of anything that I didnt use in the last 2 years. Books were actually the hardest to get rid of. In the end what I discovered was, that without any stuff, my _real_ problems became abundantly clear. Clear as daylight. And I could focus on solving only them.

gnosis 15y ago
I don't find owning lots of stuff distracting at all. It's just all there should I need any of it. For instance, if I need some super-glue, it's there. Should I need a certain color marker, it's there. If I decide to go camping, I'm not going to have to buy all sorts of camping gear (from sleeping bags to tents and everything in between) because I've already got it. Etc.. However, I do admit that owning lots of stuff has some serious disadvantages. In particular, it makes moving from place to place a huge pain in the butt, and makes it that much less likely that you'll move at all. Without many possessions, you are much more easily able to just pick up and go wherever you feel like going on a moment's notice... and that is a real gift.
- keeptrying 15y ago
  Unless you've lived with less stuff, youd never know how much of a difference it makes. It's very freeing. Also I'm talking about stuff u haven't used in 2 years.

eridius 15y ago

The takeaway I got from this is that I need to handle my sofa issue. Only then will I be happy.

derrida 15y ago

I've got one: Don't have a computer/video-console/television at home (I admit I am writing this from work). Basically by not having a computer at home, I don't have a bottom-well of comfort called 'reddit' around, so I might go over some other humps to get to another well of comfort, at the moment that is Hofstadters "Godel, Escher, Bach". Also, books are above watching television but below working in effort. Get some. They are great. Also, about 30% of the university educated population maintains a rule, that I myself follow; If you don't have decent books lying around, I won't sleep with you... books are an indicator of what you accept as relaxing, beautiful and comforting. I am sorry to say, that even the most intelligent people who relax using the internet, probably have something like reddit or hacker news as their comfort zone.

grannyg00se 15y ago
What's so special about "decent books"? What if you prefer to use an Ereader? And what's wrong with Hacker News? Through HN I've found TED and KhanAcademy. I'll put Hacker News, TED, and KhanAcademy up against your "decent book" library for comfort and see no reason why someone would discriminate based on that. Interesting criteria you have. I'm highly skeptical of your 30% statistic.
- derrida 15y ago
  What is special about them is that I can judge their covers and thus judge the person reading them. If your e-reader permanently displays everybook you have read or showed a vague interest in at some point on your wall without seeming like its immodest bragging, then your e-reader may woo me into bed (starup idea!). I am skeptical of my 30% statistic myself, otherwise I might have had more sex.
  - Psyonic 15y ago
    If you've got them back to your apartment to view your books you're 75% of the way there (not true for house parties, etc, but you get my point). I really don't think many people are going to bail at that point due to a lack of displayed books.

product50 15y ago

Unfortunately, I think the author is actually making himself comfortable. He is uncomfortable with his current state rather than his future state..

zavulon 15y ago

Am I the only one who thought this was sarcasm? I mean, seriously: > I don’t have things to hang on the walls. I rarely visit the kitchen. My apartment is a barren place. I dislike spending long hours there. > I even stand all day to make sure I don’t get too sleepy in my comfortable chair. > There was this guy at work that loved to talk, and he frequently came by my desk just to chat. I tried everything from asking him to leave to closing the door in his face. The motherfucker simply wouldn’t shut up. The solution was to kill him (explain to him that he’s distracting me). Unrelated note: There’s an opening for a front end engineer at Eventbrite. It's pretty clear to me that entire thing is a joke (and not only the last thing I quoted).. no one can seriously be that detached from reality... right?

Evgeny 15y ago
It's pretty clear to me that entire thing is a joke No it's not ... these things you quoted do not seem extreme to me. I'm living alone now. I have no idea why someone would hang stuff on walls. I wouldn't stand all day, but I don't spend all day at home and my chair is a cheap wooden one from IKEA. Between work, lifting weights/doing martial arts and some extra studies I'm doing, I don't have that much time to spend at home anyway, other than sleeping. I spend time in the kitchen because I prefer to cook my food, but I only have the most basic stuff and I spend as little time in the kitchen as possible - i.e. cook enough for several days so I don't have to worry about that every day. And I do hate small useless talk too. Don't get me wrong, it's fine to have a short conversation about the weekend plans or something like that. But, indeed, there are people that just don't know when to stop or don't understand when they go from polite to annoying. I totally understand where the author is coming from. Of course, when I start living with someone else again that will change, but for now that's how it is.

iskander 15y ago

Everyone has their own balance. I sold my car 4 years ago (biking feels better), I never bought a TV, etc... On the other hand, I like inviting people over for drinks, potlucks, etc... So, owning decent cookware and some living room furniture adds a lot to my life. The important thing seems to be to step outside automatic assumptions and actually figure what makes you happier (and what drains your energy).

bambax 15y ago
> owning decent cookware and some living room furniture adds a lot to my life Yes. The debate between "having things" and "not having things" seems wrong-headed and the OP sounds a bit like a thing-vegan. "I gave up things and now I'm sooo much healthier". Things are tools. You should own things in order to do something with them, not because merely having them makes you happy (or because not having them makes you look cool (you think)). Also, you find that good tools are often old tools, because you know them well; since you know their flaws they slow you much less than having to learn the workings of a shiny new version. (Joel Spolsky talks about this somewhere when he says he's still using Corel Draw). My motorbike is 14 years old. I'd find it hard to live without a motorbike, but I certainly don't need to buy a new one when the current one is still running.

sliverstorm 15y ago

Mild discomfiture can be a great motivator to spur yourself to change. The trick, I have been learning, is to make sure you don't grow to accept the discomfiture. You can totally get used to things like sleeping on the floor or eating bland food, but really you gain nothing from it, and it's just kind of sad. (spoken as a guy who has done this before)

rospaya 15y ago

How about practicing self control? I have an Xbox one meter away from where I work, but don't use it unless I have friends over and we have fun. Something probably unknown to a person that sold his bike because he dislikes comfort.

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paulnelligan 15y ago

There still doesn't sound like there's much balance there ... where's the good food and exercise??, it matters!

nsomaru 15y ago

Spiritual masters have been declaring these truths for millennia. More recently, in the Bhagavad Gita, Krsna states (paraphrase): "That which is nectar in the beginning becomes poison in the end/ That which is poison in the beginning becomes nectar in the end" Your experiences seem to verify this.

lhnz 15y ago

There are some technical solutions for the problem of distraction online. Some of these are addons for browsers while others affect the whole computer. :) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/leechblock/ https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gpdgmmdbbbchchonpfanphofpplhmcmn https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gpdgmmdbbbchchonpf... http://anti-social.cc/ http://anti-social.cc/ http://blog.binaryswitch.com/2010/02/binaryswitch-eclipse.html http://blog.binaryswitch.com/2010/02/binaryswitch-eclipse.ht...

wccrawford 15y ago

I'm exactly the opposite. If I'm not comfortable, I will spend all my time and money working towards being comfortable. Once I'm comfortable, then I can actually get other stuff done. This goes for home (play vs side projects) and work (fixing my working environment to remove pain points) and pretty much everything I do.

yock 15y ago

I don't think I'm on board with all of his suggestions (who would want to make their home uninviting?), but he makes a couple good points in a pleasantly amusing way.

gomphus 15y ago

Many of the comments here debate materialism vs. minimalism, in terms of which provides a truer path to happiness. But the author of the post wasn't trying to be happy - his goal is to become "uncomfortable", in order to work more productively. The main issue is not how much stuff the author has or doesn't have, but rather his spiritual and cultural impoverishment. He insists that progress in life is driven by unhappiness, and that comfortableness begets complacency. This simplistic argument says a lot about his personal failings and very little about the human psyche in general. Yes, some great things are born of discontent. But this dude is a computer programmer, not Ghandi. It apparently has not occurred to him to nurture a sense of sustained excitement over the creative process, to channel the joy and endless amusement of a life spent problem-solving and pushing intellectual boundaries, or to get happily enthused about developing his own original ideas. If drooling over video games and giggling at Reddit memes is your default 'comfortable' behaviour, then yes, by all means, take drastic measures to suppress your immaturity. (I'd personally keep very quiet about it.)

samlevine 15y ago
Video games are immature? I thought the average gamer was in his mid 30s (I can look up the source if you'd like).
- gnosis 15y ago
  Just because someone's in his mid 30s doesn't mean he's mature. Many adults constantly act like children, particularly if they're in the political profession.
- chadgeidel 15y ago
  http://www.themarysue.com/gaming-statistics/ http://www.themarysue.com/gaming-statistics/

hxa7241 15y ago

As Eckermann recorded Goethe saying, on Friday 1831-03-25: Goethe showed me an elegant green elbow-chair, which he had lately bought at an auction. "However," said he, "I shall use it but little, or not at all; for all kinds of commodiousness are against my nature. You see in my chamber no sofa; I always sit in my old wooden chair, and never till a few weeks ago have I had a leaning-place put for my head. If surrounded by convenient tasteful furniture, my thoughts are absorbed, and I am placed in an agreeable but passive state. Unless we are accustomed to them from early youth, splendid chambers and elegant furniture are for people who neither have nor can have any thoughts." http://www.hxa.name/books/ecog/Eckermann-ConversationsOfGoethe-1831.html#v12_1831-03-25 http://www.hxa.name/books/ecog/Eckermann-ConversationsOfGoet...

mcantor 15y ago

This reminds me of a less developed version of the advice Leo Babauta gives in his short book, "Focus": http://focusmanifesto.com/ http://focusmanifesto.com/ I highly recommend it. It takes maybe a couple of hours to read, and it's very dense with good ideas, suggestions and observations about how we interact with distractions. He doesn't go the extreme route of destroying them like this article's author; instead, he acknowledges that distraction can be fun and even a necessity to inspiration, but that we need the tools to quash it when we need to focus.