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I always wondered why there weren't more non-English programming languages...it seems like it gives an incredibly unfair advantage in compsci for Americans and

I always wondered why there weren't more non-English programming languages...it seems like it gives an incredibly unfair advantage in compsci for Americans and British and Irish compared to most other countries in the world. Programming is hard enough to learn even when you speak the main language, let alone having to learn English in the process as well.

ModernMech 6y ago
There are more than a few, but none of them are nearly mainstream: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_... A lot of these start as passion projects by native speakers and don't gain much traction. Actually, here's one that was posted just over the weekend, so maybe didn't get a lot of attention: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26771369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26771369
- tombert 6y ago
  Yeah, I figured that they have to exist (didn't see the Cree one, I will look at it) just due to "law of large numbers" reasoning. It always just seemed a bit weird to me, there are more native Spanish speakers then English speakers...why has English become the lingua-franca for a base of programming languages? Is it as simple as "Apple, IBM, and Microsoft started in the US"?
  - qwertywert_ 6y ago
    Well most were created in C like, Lua made by a brazillian, Ruby made by Japanese guy. So yea they already had to base of existing US tech.
  - ModernMech 6y ago
    I think it comes down to the fact that the predominate view of programming languages is that they are math and tools for conducting science/business. English was the lingua-fraca for science/business long before programming languages were around so it might have followed naturally that programming languages should be localized in English as well. But it's hard to say, there are a lot of cultural elements at play. We see one right here in this very language that is trying to escape the English domain -- it doesn't have support for character accents native to the language it's trying to support. This limitation probably derives from the days when bytes were highly expensive, so character encodings had to be frugal with their use of memory. With one byte you can encode enough characters for the English alphabet, numbers, symbols, and control characters, but you're not going to have enough for all the combinations of accents. Just look at what went into the extended ASCII table: they made room for some common accented characters from western nations, but also allocated precious space for copyrights, trademarks, fractions, legal symbols, more mathematical operators, and currency symbols of the largest nations. More than a purely technical decision, this is a statement of priorities. Again you see programming-as-math/science playing a role here; character encodings for mathematical symbols were given priority, but characters that could be used for communicating in other languages were disregarded. This is likely because the kinds of applications people were looking to use programming languages for were based in math/science, so those symbols were viewed as indispensable. I'm not saying this was wrong, btw, I'm just saying that's the way these things evolved. This very early (circa 1960) decision still has rippling consequences even today, so it's clear momentum of early choices in computing plays a large role here.
thiht 6y ago
Because if you use a keyboard with the latin alphabet, the language of the keywords is not a big deal. What's important is for the tutorials and documentation to be translated, not the language itself. When you use a non latin keyboard I guess having a language matching your keyboard might be more important.

ModernMech 6y ago

There are more than a few, but none of them are nearly mainstream: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_... A lot of these start as passion projects by native speakers and don't gain much traction. Actually, here's one that was posted just over the weekend, so maybe didn't get a lot of attention: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26771369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26771369

tombert 6y ago
Yeah, I figured that they have to exist (didn't see the Cree one, I will look at it) just due to "law of large numbers" reasoning. It always just seemed a bit weird to me, there are more native Spanish speakers then English speakers...why has English become the lingua-franca for a base of programming languages? Is it as simple as "Apple, IBM, and Microsoft started in the US"?
- qwertywert_ 6y ago
  Well most were created in C like, Lua made by a brazillian, Ruby made by Japanese guy. So yea they already had to base of existing US tech.
- ModernMech 6y ago
  I think it comes down to the fact that the predominate view of programming languages is that they are math and tools for conducting science/business. English was the lingua-fraca for science/business long before programming languages were around so it might have followed naturally that programming languages should be localized in English as well. But it's hard to say, there are a lot of cultural elements at play. We see one right here in this very language that is trying to escape the English domain -- it doesn't have support for character accents native to the language it's trying to support. This limitation probably derives from the days when bytes were highly expensive, so character encodings had to be frugal with their use of memory. With one byte you can encode enough characters for the English alphabet, numbers, symbols, and control characters, but you're not going to have enough for all the combinations of accents. Just look at what went into the extended ASCII table: they made room for some common accented characters from western nations, but also allocated precious space for copyrights, trademarks, fractions, legal symbols, more mathematical operators, and currency symbols of the largest nations. More than a purely technical decision, this is a statement of priorities. Again you see programming-as-math/science playing a role here; character encodings for mathematical symbols were given priority, but characters that could be used for communicating in other languages were disregarded. This is likely because the kinds of applications people were looking to use programming languages for were based in math/science, so those symbols were viewed as indispensable. I'm not saying this was wrong, btw, I'm just saying that's the way these things evolved. This very early (circa 1960) decision still has rippling consequences even today, so it's clear momentum of early choices in computing plays a large role here.

thiht 6y ago

Because if you use a keyboard with the latin alphabet, the language of the keywords is not a big deal. What's important is for the tutorials and documentation to be translated, not the language itself. When you use a non latin keyboard I guess having a language matching your keyboard might be more important.