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Worth considering is that if a phone can be kept available but isolated then the holders have time to wait for new exploits to be discovered. It doesn't matter

Worth considering is that if a phone can be kept available but isolated then the holders have time to wait for new exploits to be discovered. It doesn't matter if an exploit has been patched if the phone in question has been maintained offline for a year or two.

dylan604 6y ago
I guess that goes to how valuable will that information be in 12, 18, 24, 60 months. Even more embarassing for someone like the FBI beating the chests about the valuable information that they absolutely have to have access to, but to find out there was nothing of value on the device. The FBI definitely has egg on their face over the San Bernardino example
- PeterisP 6y ago
  A court case for severe crimes can easily last 24+ months, so that information could be just in time to secure a conviction.
  - dylan604 6y ago
    What court case in this example? The accused were dead.
- MertsA 6y ago
  >Even more embarassing for someone like the FBI beating the chests about the valuable information that they absolutely have to have access to, but to find out there was nothing of value on the device. That claim by the FBI was obviously made in bad faith to begin with for the San Bernardino shooting. Of course the shooter didn't store some kind of incriminating communications or plans on his work phone, there was never any rational explanation for why he would have done that. They destroyed their personal phones entirely but didn't even bother to reset their work phone. Add to this the fact that a law enforcement screw up is what originally locked them out of a recent iCloud backup to begin with and they already had access to everything else that was in iCloud before they reset the password. It was painfully obvious that they were pushing hard behind "But TERRORISM!!!" to either set a precedent or get a signed build of iOS that bypassed any protection from brute force attacks.
nojito 6y ago
These are hardware fixes not software.

dylan604 6y ago

I guess that goes to how valuable will that information be in 12, 18, 24, 60 months. Even more embarassing for someone like the FBI beating the chests about the valuable information that they absolutely have to have access to, but to find out there was nothing of value on the device. The FBI definitely has egg on their face over the San Bernardino example

PeterisP 6y ago
A court case for severe crimes can easily last 24+ months, so that information could be just in time to secure a conviction.
- dylan604 6y ago
  What court case in this example? The accused were dead.
MertsA 6y ago
>Even more embarassing for someone like the FBI beating the chests about the valuable information that they absolutely have to have access to, but to find out there was nothing of value on the device. That claim by the FBI was obviously made in bad faith to begin with for the San Bernardino shooting. Of course the shooter didn't store some kind of incriminating communications or plans on his work phone, there was never any rational explanation for why he would have done that. They destroyed their personal phones entirely but didn't even bother to reset their work phone. Add to this the fact that a law enforcement screw up is what originally locked them out of a recent iCloud backup to begin with and they already had access to everything else that was in iCloud before they reset the password. It was painfully obvious that they were pushing hard behind "But TERRORISM!!!" to either set a precedent or get a signed build of iOS that bypassed any protection from brute force attacks.

nojito 6y ago

These are hardware fixes not software.