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> Apple literally was caught using software upgrades to make older devices perform worse You've literally just proved the point the parent comment was making.

> Apple literally was caught using software upgrades to make older devices perform worse You've literally just proved the point the parent comment was making. The same outcome is not always equal to the same behaviour. The devices throttled themselves because worn batteries could not handle the sudden power spike needed by the CPU. You can very easily verify this by turning off the software fix on an affected phone—start pushing it and it literally just shuts off. Apple still behaved deplorably here: as soon as this software kludge was triggered, it should have popped up a warning saying "hey your battery is no good, go get it replaced. Your phone will perform way slower in the meantime". They undoubtedly sold more iPhones by not doing so. But they didn't slow down perfectly functional old phones, they slowed down phones which were effectively faulty.

_carbyau_ 6y ago
I don't think I proved the parents case at all. I was supporting the idea that corporations can't be trusted. Apple was held up as some kind of paragon exception to this. It isn't. 1. slowing devices without telling anyone what they were doing. 2. assuming all their older devices were in the same state or had the same use cases. Replaced your phone battery recently? Who cares, you go slow anyway. The combination of 1+2 combined with a loyal fanbase (or trapped in the ecosystem depending on your views) does seem awfully suspicious regarding manipulated obsolescence and worth investigation. The article linked has Apple losing a court case in this regard. So the point still stands, don't trust corporations, including Apple. If you want to say that Apple is better than other corporations. Well that is a different point. You still can't trust them.
- deergomoo 6y ago
  > assuming all their older devices were in the same state or had the same use cases. Replaced your phone battery recently? Who cares, you go slow anyway Sorry to be nitpicky, but this is actually not the case. The whole reason this was initially discovered was because someone on reddit ran Geekbench before and after a battery replacement and got a huge performance increase. Not telling users is inexcusable, but phones where the battery was fully functional continued to run at full speed regardless of age. > You still can't trust them On this point I 100% agree!
  - _carbyau_ 6y ago
    With yourself and a coincidental comment making such reasonable corrections I investigated further. Posted below for posterity, not necessarily you. The reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_slow_try_replacing_your_battery/ https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_s... Finally, from the horses mouth:https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387 "iOS 11.3 and later improve this performance management feature" and "iPhone 8 and later use a more advanced hardware and software ..[snip].. As a result, the impacts of performance management may be less noticeable on iPhone 8 and later." My conclusion: It is true that Apple was only targeting phones with dodgy(to a degree of approximation) batteries. OTOH, Apple does a better job now. Both in execution and communication. Whether Apple would have reached this achievement without batterygate is unknowable. My apologies for spreading misinformation, thank you for your patience. Edit:snipped some bits for conciseness.

_carbyau_ 6y ago

I don't think I proved the parents case at all. I was supporting the idea that corporations can't be trusted. Apple was held up as some kind of paragon exception to this. It isn't. 1. slowing devices without telling anyone what they were doing. 2. assuming all their older devices were in the same state or had the same use cases. Replaced your phone battery recently? Who cares, you go slow anyway. The combination of 1+2 combined with a loyal fanbase (or trapped in the ecosystem depending on your views) does seem awfully suspicious regarding manipulated obsolescence and worth investigation. The article linked has Apple losing a court case in this regard. So the point still stands, don't trust corporations, including Apple. If you want to say that Apple is better than other corporations. Well that is a different point. You still can't trust them.

deergomoo 6y ago
> assuming all their older devices were in the same state or had the same use cases. Replaced your phone battery recently? Who cares, you go slow anyway Sorry to be nitpicky, but this is actually not the case. The whole reason this was initially discovered was because someone on reddit ran Geekbench before and after a battery replacement and got a huge performance increase. Not telling users is inexcusable, but phones where the battery was fully functional continued to run at full speed regardless of age. > You still can't trust them On this point I 100% agree!
- _carbyau_ 6y ago
  With yourself and a coincidental comment making such reasonable corrections I investigated further. Posted below for posterity, not necessarily you. The reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_slow_try_replacing_your_battery/ https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/7inu45/psa_iphone_s... Finally, from the horses mouth:https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208387 "iOS 11.3 and later improve this performance management feature" and "iPhone 8 and later use a more advanced hardware and software ..[snip].. As a result, the impacts of performance management may be less noticeable on iPhone 8 and later." My conclusion: It is true that Apple was only targeting phones with dodgy(to a degree of approximation) batteries. OTOH, Apple does a better job now. Both in execution and communication. Whether Apple would have reached this achievement without batterygate is unknowable. My apologies for spreading misinformation, thank you for your patience. Edit:snipped some bits for conciseness.