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Source? Yesterday I met a woman whose husband has lost his sense of smell for 4+ months and still has not regained it. My lungs still hurt sometimes on deep br

by ericb 6y ago

Source? Yesterday I met a woman whose husband has lost his sense of smell for 4+ months and still has not regained it. My lungs still hurt sometimes on deep breaths 6 months later.

incrudible 6y ago
We'd have to distinguish between physical symptoms that are well-known long-term effects of viral infections and psychosomatic disorders that may be triggered without any infection whatsoever. Losing your sense of smell, even permanently, is a known side-effect of Influenza infection: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23948436/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23948436/ The same is true for many inflammatory conditions, such as myocarditis. As for diffuse symptoms that are most likely psychosomatic: Look into ME/CFS. These are patients which may have a very real perception of debilitating symptoms that have no tangible underlying physical cause. There's a lot of misguided activism surrounding the topic, because people don't want to be perceived as having a mental disorder, due to the associated stigma.
- ericb 6y ago
  Covid isn't influenza and these were verified cases. You seem to be working from a position of motivated reasoning, so I'm going to opt out of trying to convince you.
  - incrudible 6y ago
    Indeed, Sars-CoV2 isn't Influenza, but its symptoms are anything but unique to respiratory illnesses and viral infections. A popular media narrative has arisen, claiming that COVID poses some unique health risks that weren't already facts of life to some degree. This is then used for justifying endless interventions, re-arranging our whole lives around this one new illness. This can cause panic among the psychologically vulnerable population, causing the very symptoms that are now attributed to "long COVID". I wouldn't phrase it quite as polemically as my flagged cousin, but there is truth to what they are saying. > You seem to be working from a position of motivated reasoning, so I'm going to opt out of trying to convince you. I don't even know what you would want convince me of. We probably agree for the most part. Sars-CoV2 isn't Influenza and (in aggregate) it is more dangerous than Influenza. It made everyday life riskier. We may or may not agree on what an appropriate response to this new risk is. Either way, we both are susceptible to motivated reasoning. That shouldn't prevent us from having a conversation.

by ericb 6y ago

Source? Yesterday I met a woman whose husband has lost his sense of smell for 4+ months and still has not regained it. My lungs still hurt sometimes on deep breaths 6 months later.

incrudible 6y ago

We'd have to distinguish between physical symptoms that are well-known long-term effects of viral infections and psychosomatic disorders that may be triggered without any infection whatsoever. Losing your sense of smell, even permanently, is a known side-effect of Influenza infection: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23948436/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23948436/ The same is true for many inflammatory conditions, such as myocarditis. As for diffuse symptoms that are most likely psychosomatic: Look into ME/CFS. These are patients which may have a very real perception of debilitating symptoms that have no tangible underlying physical cause. There's a lot of misguided activism surrounding the topic, because people don't want to be perceived as having a mental disorder, due to the associated stigma.

ericb 6y ago
Covid isn't influenza and these were verified cases. You seem to be working from a position of motivated reasoning, so I'm going to opt out of trying to convince you.
- incrudible 6y ago
  Indeed, Sars-CoV2 isn't Influenza, but its symptoms are anything but unique to respiratory illnesses and viral infections. A popular media narrative has arisen, claiming that COVID poses some unique health risks that weren't already facts of life to some degree. This is then used for justifying endless interventions, re-arranging our whole lives around this one new illness. This can cause panic among the psychologically vulnerable population, causing the very symptoms that are now attributed to "long COVID". I wouldn't phrase it quite as polemically as my flagged cousin, but there is truth to what they are saying. > You seem to be working from a position of motivated reasoning, so I'm going to opt out of trying to convince you. I don't even know what you would want convince me of. We probably agree for the most part. Sars-CoV2 isn't Influenza and (in aggregate) it is more dangerous than Influenza. It made everyday life riskier. We may or may not agree on what an appropriate response to this new risk is. Either way, we both are susceptible to motivated reasoning. That shouldn't prevent us from having a conversation.