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> Apple is suing Corellium, a maker of iPhone virtualization and pentesting software, because their tool can be used to develop exploits that bypass Apple’s sec

> Apple is suing Corellium, a maker of iPhone virtualization and pentesting software, because their tool can be used to develop exploits that bypass Apple’s security? Does Apple have legal standing here or are they just using their warchest ($) to intimidate others into not following Corellium's example?

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
Copyright violation.
- capableweb 5y ago
  Developing exploits is copyright violation now? themolecularman is specifically asking for their grounds, I think the "copyright violation" claim is just in order to start the suit, not that they actually violated Apple's copyright in any way.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - michaelt 5y ago
    Presumably, their argument is: 1. You need a license to use software 2. iOS is only licensed for use on bare-metal Apple hardware 3. Therefore, virtualisation is copyright infringement 4. Corellium makes iPhone virtualisation software Of course, many hacker types would argue if you've got a license to something there's nothing morally wrong with format-shifting it to your heart's content, regardless of what the license or the letter of the law may say. Apple is probably relying on the courts taking a less enlightened view.
    - dboreham 5y ago
      0. Using software is copyright infringement.
      - otterley 5y ago
        Copying software without a license from the owner to do so is prima facie copyright infringement.
    - trhway 5y ago
      >2.&3. i would think that research, including security one, is a fair use with the virtualization being just a research device/tool in this case. Something akin to making an otherwise illegal copy to a different, more lab hardware specific format. Like say you have a copyrighted picture and you make some blow-up or X-ray photo of it for the research.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Very similar in how running macOS on a Hackintosh is a copyright violation. You are only granted a license to the OS to run on Apple hardware. Running their OS in a virtualized environment not on Apple hardware is the same thing.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    You need an unauthorized copy of the firmware to emulate an iPhone.

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago

capableweb 5y ago
Developing exploits is copyright violation now? themolecularman is specifically asking for their grounds, I think the "copyright violation" claim is just in order to start the suit, not that they actually violated Apple's copyright in any way.
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- michaelt 5y ago
  Presumably, their argument is: 1. You need a license to use software 2. iOS is only licensed for use on bare-metal Apple hardware 3. Therefore, virtualisation is copyright infringement 4. Corellium makes iPhone virtualisation software Of course, many hacker types would argue if you've got a license to something there's nothing morally wrong with format-shifting it to your heart's content, regardless of what the license or the letter of the law may say. Apple is probably relying on the courts taking a less enlightened view.
  - dboreham 5y ago
    0. Using software is copyright infringement.
    - otterley 5y ago
      Copying software without a license from the owner to do so is prima facie copyright infringement.
  - trhway 5y ago
    >2.&3. i would think that research, including security one, is a fair use with the virtualization being just a research device/tool in this case. Something akin to making an otherwise illegal copy to a different, more lab hardware specific format. Like say you have a copyrighted picture and you make some blow-up or X-ray photo of it for the research.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Very similar in how running macOS on a Hackintosh is a copyright violation. You are only granted a license to the OS to run on Apple hardware. Running their OS in a virtualized environment not on Apple hardware is the same thing.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  You need an unauthorized copy of the firmware to emulate an iPhone.