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I think your tweet is in bad faith. Whatever the CEO thinks of Amazon warehouse workers' salary and working conditions has no bearing on the quality and outcome

by hobom 5y ago

I think your tweet is in bad faith. Whatever the CEO thinks of Amazon warehouse workers' salary and working conditions has no bearing on the quality and outcomes of the lambda school curriculum. This Twitter style argument of "Look at this person having awful opinions" really does not contribute to anything. If you find lambda school to be predatory, then it's better to just provide evidence for that.

sandofsky 5y ago
> If you find lambda school to be predatory, then it's better to just provide evidence for that. I literally just cited three links full of examples.
- fighterpilot 5y ago
  They said it's better to just provide evidence for that, which you didn't. You mixed personal political opinion with the factual question of whether the school's practices are predatory, which makes it more difficult to give you the benefit of the doubt that the claim was made in good faith.
- austenallred 5y ago
  You are the source of one of the articles citing the many things that Lambda School grads should know for a basic interview that we don’t teach. In the past I have offered a bounty for you to point out even a single one of those things and you have never been able to do so.
  - akanet 5y ago
    Austen unblock me on twitter. We can have an OTR chat about the current state of lambda. I promise none of it will be published if you don't want it to be.
    - austenallred 5y ago
      Sorry, you’ve lied too many times and misconstrued too many things. I don’t trust you and don’t believe you’re operating in good faith.
      - akanet 5y ago
        I really haven't, maybe we can work out this misunderstanding. I think you really do need to hear a sincere perspective from the other side and I am happy to provide this for you privately. Reach out anytime!
  - sandofsky 5y ago
    Yes, I was involved in 223 words of a 1,645 word article. I don't want to take full credit for those words; I showed your students' homework to two other senior iOS developers before commenting, to make sure I wasn't off base. They reached the same conclusions. You're welcome ignore my sound bite, and focus on the other 87% of the article which shows a pattern of unethical behavior. For example, the screenshot where you publicly claimed a 100% hire rate in the UX program, knowing full well that only one student graduated. As for your bounty, well, you blocked me before issuing it. You even quote tweeted me while I was blocked. Maybe that's why you didn't see me explain that student homework is publicly available on GitHub. Rather than play games with bounties, why not let the results speak for themselves? Just void all the non-disclosure agreements you've pressured students into signing.
    - austenallred 5y ago
      Part of what our students do is visible on GitHub; until graduation some of it is not. Yet you went on the record stating that Lambda School doesn’t include very basic things in the curriculum and students aren’t qualified. You had no idea. Then students, who are qualified and battling with intense imposter syndrome, come to me terrified and doubting themselves because someone who has literally never seen the full curriculum is making stuff up about it on the record. Don’t you understand the harm you’re doing? Then you just ask me to ignore that fact? No, I will not. If you’re making stuff up out of whole cloth on the record once, why would you stop? I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? So far in two anecdotes we have two incredibly misleading things pulled out to paint a picture of unethical behavior, and you cite as evidence for unethical behavior that very article. Doesn’t that give you pause? Do you ever question your prior assumptions, especially after realizing you were wrong, or is it all pitchforks all the time?
      - sandofsky 5y ago
        > I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? It's in the article. Twice. > Yet you went on the record stating that Lambda School doesn’t include very basic things in the curriculum and students aren’t qualified. I said, "Students are going to struggle with very basic questions you’ll get on first phone screens." I have never blamed the student. I feel terrible for them, and I'm impressed by students who succeed in spite of the program. > You had no idea. I read the whole curriculum. I even sped through the videos. How else would I know about the two Block Chain lectures? You asked for evidence. I can't think of better evidence than student projects that should have failed, but you rubber stamped through anyway. As mentioned in the article, I had found ten student projects. Is that too little? Is it ok to just review one, as long as I say "VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE"? > Then students, who are qualified and battling with intense imposter syndrome, come to me terrified and doubting themselves because someone who has literally never seen the full curriculum is making stuff up about it on the record. I know plenty about the suffering of your students. When things are clearly broken in the program, they seek out help, and they're fed a bunch of garbage about it just being imposter syndrome. Or that time you cut the staff who grades homework, and told everyone this had nothing to do with money. Later you admitted it was all about money. These students thank me for speaking out, because they're afraid of retaliation. They feel lied-to and manipulated. They feel trapped. And in this vulnerable state, you leverage the power dynamics to pressure them into signing NDAs. Do you ever question what you're doing?

by hobom 5y ago

sandofsky 5y ago

> If you find lambda school to be predatory, then it's better to just provide evidence for that. I literally just cited three links full of examples.

fighterpilot 5y ago
They said it's better to just provide evidence for that, which you didn't. You mixed personal political opinion with the factual question of whether the school's practices are predatory, which makes it more difficult to give you the benefit of the doubt that the claim was made in good faith.
austenallred 5y ago
You are the source of one of the articles citing the many things that Lambda School grads should know for a basic interview that we don’t teach. In the past I have offered a bounty for you to point out even a single one of those things and you have never been able to do so.
- akanet 5y ago
  Austen unblock me on twitter. We can have an OTR chat about the current state of lambda. I promise none of it will be published if you don't want it to be.
  - austenallred 5y ago
    Sorry, you’ve lied too many times and misconstrued too many things. I don’t trust you and don’t believe you’re operating in good faith.
    - akanet 5y ago
      I really haven't, maybe we can work out this misunderstanding. I think you really do need to hear a sincere perspective from the other side and I am happy to provide this for you privately. Reach out anytime!
- sandofsky 5y ago
  Yes, I was involved in 223 words of a 1,645 word article. I don't want to take full credit for those words; I showed your students' homework to two other senior iOS developers before commenting, to make sure I wasn't off base. They reached the same conclusions. You're welcome ignore my sound bite, and focus on the other 87% of the article which shows a pattern of unethical behavior. For example, the screenshot where you publicly claimed a 100% hire rate in the UX program, knowing full well that only one student graduated. As for your bounty, well, you blocked me before issuing it. You even quote tweeted me while I was blocked. Maybe that's why you didn't see me explain that student homework is publicly available on GitHub. Rather than play games with bounties, why not let the results speak for themselves? Just void all the non-disclosure agreements you've pressured students into signing.
  - austenallred 5y ago
    Part of what our students do is visible on GitHub; until graduation some of it is not. Yet you went on the record stating that Lambda School doesn’t include very basic things in the curriculum and students aren’t qualified. You had no idea. Then students, who are qualified and battling with intense imposter syndrome, come to me terrified and doubting themselves because someone who has literally never seen the full curriculum is making stuff up about it on the record. Don’t you understand the harm you’re doing? Then you just ask me to ignore that fact? No, I will not. If you’re making stuff up out of whole cloth on the record once, why would you stop? I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? So far in two anecdotes we have two incredibly misleading things pulled out to paint a picture of unethical behavior, and you cite as evidence for unethical behavior that very article. Doesn’t that give you pause? Do you ever question your prior assumptions, especially after realizing you were wrong, or is it all pitchforks all the time?
    - sandofsky 5y ago
      > I did say the hiring rate of a cohort of one student was 100%. And in the same tweet I said, in all caps BUT VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE. Odd how that doesn’t make the article, don’t you think? It's in the article. Twice. > Yet you went on the record stating that Lambda School doesn’t include very basic things in the curriculum and students aren’t qualified. I said, "Students are going to struggle with very basic questions you’ll get on first phone screens." I have never blamed the student. I feel terrible for them, and I'm impressed by students who succeed in spite of the program. > You had no idea. I read the whole curriculum. I even sped through the videos. How else would I know about the two Block Chain lectures? You asked for evidence. I can't think of better evidence than student projects that should have failed, but you rubber stamped through anyway. As mentioned in the article, I had found ten student projects. Is that too little? Is it ok to just review one, as long as I say "VERY SMALL SAMPLE SIZE"? > Then students, who are qualified and battling with intense imposter syndrome, come to me terrified and doubting themselves because someone who has literally never seen the full curriculum is making stuff up about it on the record. I know plenty about the suffering of your students. When things are clearly broken in the program, they seek out help, and they're fed a bunch of garbage about it just being imposter syndrome. Or that time you cut the staff who grades homework, and told everyone this had nothing to do with money. Later you admitted it was all about money. These students thank me for speaking out, because they're afraid of retaliation. They feel lied-to and manipulated. They feel trapped. And in this vulnerable state, you leverage the power dynamics to pressure them into signing NDAs. Do you ever question what you're doing?