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probably the potential of rampant inflation. When a government summons trillions of dollars into existence (like most governments have been doing throughout the

by jtms 5y ago

probably the potential of rampant inflation. When a government summons trillions of dollars into existence (like most governments have been doing throughout the pandemic) it dilutes the underlying value of every single unit of currency in circulation. Its not nearly as simple as "double the money supply == halve your current cash's value", but some amount of dilution and inflation are definitely happening. BTC is theoretically a good hedge against this as it is deflationary by design.

lottin 5y ago
There is potential for hyperinflation, just like having a police force means there is a potential for extrajudicial killings and all sorts of nasty stuff. The thing is when was the last time a western country experienced hyperinflation? I think Germany in the 1930s. Hyperinflation is a made-up problem.
- yxhuvud 5y ago
  Hyperinflation can happen in any society if the productive capability of the society goes to the shitters. Printing money does not trigger such a collapse though. So if anyone is scared of hyperinflation, look at how industries and services in the country do instead of at how the money supply change.
- jtms 5y ago
  Who said anything about hyperinflation? Regular inflation occurs constantly (and by design) and must be compensated for. If you just leave your cash in a checking account and walk away for 10 years you will come back to radically less buying power than when you left it - the number might be the same, but the total money supply will have grown tremendously thus reducing that money's buying power. According to inflation estimates $1 USD in 1970 was equivalent to almost $7 USD in 2021 value. The point of an investment portfolio is to outpace this dilution so that your wealth grows and you are not diluted into ruin by the printing of new money. A balanced portfolio that has some percentage allocated to instruments that tend to hold a steady value or grow inversely to inflation are critical. BTC is shaping up to be a good choice to add alongside of gold and other precious metals which have historically been used for this purpose. It is short term VERY volatile, but long term it has consistently WAY outpaced inflation.
  - lottin 5y ago
    No. The point of an investment portfolio is not to outpace inflation. The point of investing (in general) is to trade an amount of present consumption for a greater amount of future consumption. This is true whether the inflation rate is positive, negative or zero. If you simply save and hedge against inflation (i.e. you invest in something that provides a real rate of return of zero), then it means you're trading an amount of present consumption for the same amount of future consumption. In other words, you lose because you're not getting compensated for delaying consumption. At any rate, neither gold nor BTC are considered good investments by people who know anything about economics and finance, since neither of these assets provide income, but of course feel free to invest your money in whatever you like.
    - jtms 5y ago
      And you as well mr all knowing sage of finance
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > The thing is when was the last time a western country experienced hyperinflation? So it's alright because western countries aren't suffering any side effects? > Hyperinflation is a made-up problem. My country suffered hyperinflation multiple times. It was so bad we had to create new currencies with every iteration. I think the most recent episode happened in the 90s or so.
baby 5y ago
I learned the other day that this is not necessarily true, as long as the money printed creates value. Japan is an example: they have printed tons of money and haven’t had inflation.
- jtms 5y ago
  I have read about that too and know that there is quite a big debate about inflation. I still think that modern economic systems are sufficiently complex that there is no one person or government on the planet smart enough to allocate printed money in a way that is always 100% efficient - some amount of dilution is absolutely going to occur when you just will a couple trillion dollars into existence and inject it into the economy. Hopefully the value is greater than the dilution, but its not always going to work that way - this is what a well balanced portfolio will counter.
  - baby 5y ago
    One can argue money printing has really worked out for the US so far...

by jtms 5y ago

lottin 5y ago

There is potential for hyperinflation, just like having a police force means there is a potential for extrajudicial killings and all sorts of nasty stuff. The thing is when was the last time a western country experienced hyperinflation? I think Germany in the 1930s. Hyperinflation is a made-up problem.

yxhuvud 5y ago
Hyperinflation can happen in any society if the productive capability of the society goes to the shitters. Printing money does not trigger such a collapse though. So if anyone is scared of hyperinflation, look at how industries and services in the country do instead of at how the money supply change.
jtms 5y ago
Who said anything about hyperinflation? Regular inflation occurs constantly (and by design) and must be compensated for. If you just leave your cash in a checking account and walk away for 10 years you will come back to radically less buying power than when you left it - the number might be the same, but the total money supply will have grown tremendously thus reducing that money's buying power. According to inflation estimates $1 USD in 1970 was equivalent to almost $7 USD in 2021 value. The point of an investment portfolio is to outpace this dilution so that your wealth grows and you are not diluted into ruin by the printing of new money. A balanced portfolio that has some percentage allocated to instruments that tend to hold a steady value or grow inversely to inflation are critical. BTC is shaping up to be a good choice to add alongside of gold and other precious metals which have historically been used for this purpose. It is short term VERY volatile, but long term it has consistently WAY outpaced inflation.
- lottin 5y ago
  No. The point of an investment portfolio is not to outpace inflation. The point of investing (in general) is to trade an amount of present consumption for a greater amount of future consumption. This is true whether the inflation rate is positive, negative or zero. If you simply save and hedge against inflation (i.e. you invest in something that provides a real rate of return of zero), then it means you're trading an amount of present consumption for the same amount of future consumption. In other words, you lose because you're not getting compensated for delaying consumption. At any rate, neither gold nor BTC are considered good investments by people who know anything about economics and finance, since neither of these assets provide income, but of course feel free to invest your money in whatever you like.
  - jtms 5y ago
    And you as well mr all knowing sage of finance
matheusmoreira 5y ago
> The thing is when was the last time a western country experienced hyperinflation? So it's alright because western countries aren't suffering any side effects? > Hyperinflation is a made-up problem. My country suffered hyperinflation multiple times. It was so bad we had to create new currencies with every iteration. I think the most recent episode happened in the 90s or so.

baby 5y ago

I learned the other day that this is not necessarily true, as long as the money printed creates value. Japan is an example: they have printed tons of money and haven’t had inflation.

jtms 5y ago
I have read about that too and know that there is quite a big debate about inflation. I still think that modern economic systems are sufficiently complex that there is no one person or government on the planet smart enough to allocate printed money in a way that is always 100% efficient - some amount of dilution is absolutely going to occur when you just will a couple trillion dollars into existence and inject it into the economy. Hopefully the value is greater than the dilution, but its not always going to work that way - this is what a well balanced portfolio will counter.
- baby 5y ago
  One can argue money printing has really worked out for the US so far...