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> You pretty much need to go through a Know your customer(KYC) process to really trade in crypto KuCoin? Binance?

arcticbull 6y ago
Binance is a great example because you can just keep creating new accounts to circumvent their KYC limits heh. I'm sure they have no idea. You just have to take it up with the government in whatever country they're domiciled in. Like any legitimate company, they simply won't tell anyone which country that is, of course.
dragonelite 6y ago
A more local crypto exchange, when I started buying bitcoin it was harder to get euros in and out of Binance. Seeing how I'm not really a dissident or a rebel and I'm lazy so I'm not going to jump through multiple hoops. So I don't mind the KYC process so I don't have to jump through hoops, but I do see how nations can use lawfare to attack/monitor crypto currencies, its not that hard to see. You have a open ledger, you have wallet addresses connected to personal identities. They can probably use social media connection graphs to fill in the gaps of unknown wallet addresses. Its a real time financial monitoring tool like the current system, just packaged up as some libertarian/tech bro nirvana escape hatch. Brilliant marketing if you ask me, but I'm just using it as an inflation hedge.
- randomopining 6y ago
  Yeah literally, is it not just a connected graph of transactions? Sounds like smart people can split and roll and all this stuff to their main transaction to try to obfuscate it. But with the proper tool, couldn't the FBI use powerful computers to fill the graph in with human links and deduce a lot from it? XMR I don't know though.
  - dragonelite 6y ago
    I don't know enough, but the moment I saw I needed to go through a Know your customer process I knew block chain privacy is compromised. Wouldn't be surprised if there are ways to obfuscate your bitcoins. Something like wrapped bitcoins or something. For the time being you already have block chain analytics companies that can trace and back trace transactions. Hell maybe they can even do it cross chain. I wouldn't be surprised if a NSA or other nat sec organization can hack something together in a weekend.

Binance is a great example because you can just keep creating new accounts to circumvent their KYC limits heh. I'm sure they have no idea. You just have to take it up with the government in whatever country they're domiciled in. Like any legitimate company, they simply won't tell anyone which country that is, of course.

dragonelite 6y ago

A more local crypto exchange, when I started buying bitcoin it was harder to get euros in and out of Binance. Seeing how I'm not really a dissident or a rebel and I'm lazy so I'm not going to jump through multiple hoops. So I don't mind the KYC process so I don't have to jump through hoops, but I do see how nations can use lawfare to attack/monitor crypto currencies, its not that hard to see. You have a open ledger, you have wallet addresses connected to personal identities. They can probably use social media connection graphs to fill in the gaps of unknown wallet addresses. Its a real time financial monitoring tool like the current system, just packaged up as some libertarian/tech bro nirvana escape hatch. Brilliant marketing if you ask me, but I'm just using it as an inflation hedge.

randomopining 6y ago
Yeah literally, is it not just a connected graph of transactions? Sounds like smart people can split and roll and all this stuff to their main transaction to try to obfuscate it. But with the proper tool, couldn't the FBI use powerful computers to fill the graph in with human links and deduce a lot from it? XMR I don't know though.
- dragonelite 6y ago
  I don't know enough, but the moment I saw I needed to go through a Know your customer process I knew block chain privacy is compromised. Wouldn't be surprised if there are ways to obfuscate your bitcoins. Something like wrapped bitcoins or something. For the time being you already have block chain analytics companies that can trace and back trace transactions. Hell maybe they can even do it cross chain. I wouldn't be surprised if a NSA or other nat sec organization can hack something together in a weekend.