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I agree with most of what you say, except for email. Because of such things like DKIM, I really don't have an email spam problem, or if I do, it is because I s

I agree with most of what you say, except for email. Because of such things like DKIM, I really don't have an email spam problem, or if I do, it is because I signed up for it myself. Because there is a record of who is transmitting the message, hosts and ISP's that transmit spam get punished by having their emails ignored. It is thus in their best interest to make sure they behave well, and deal quickly with any complaints. The big difference in phone spam is lack of accountability. I believe if you fix that, the problem can be solved pretty quickly

stjohnswarts 6y ago
I'm amazed at google's spam filters. They catch like 99% of the spam from an email I've probably had for 12 years or so. Every now and then something slips through but it's pretty good. When I look at the spam folder I see I probably get 20:1 spam:legit email.
- jjav 6y ago
  And gmail spam filters are very bad, in comparison. My own email server gets way less spam than my gmail account, and never any false positives, which are a huge problem on gmail.
  - eythian 6y ago
    On my own mailserver with spamassassin, I had my very first false positive in years just yesterday. It seemed that however the organisation emailing me does it, they're using mail hosts on blocklists.
jjav 6y ago
Yes! It is interesting, and quite a twist, that spam in email is by far the least of spam problems these days. I get hardly any spam ever on email anymore (on my own email server). Was going to say once a month but no, it's way less than that. And yet, I'm getting a constant barrage of spam over SMS and voicemail, there's no stopping that.
flyinghamster 6y ago
> Because of such things like DKIM, I really don't have an email spam problem, or if I do, it is because I signed up for it myself. Running home and work mail servers, I would disagree. If I let my shields down, I get kajillions of spam emails from snowshoe [0] spam operators (assuming it's not all the same operation!), coming from hundreds of IP addresses in dozens of /24s, all with random word salad domain names, valid DKIM, and valid DMARC, with domain registrations that lead nowhere. Blocking whole /24s and certain egregious TLDs is the only way to stem the tide. As long as there are ISPs, colo/cloud providers, and registrars who are willing to pocket the cash and look the other way, nothing's going to improve. [0] https://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/Glossary#233 https://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/Glossary#233

stjohnswarts 6y ago

I'm amazed at google's spam filters. They catch like 99% of the spam from an email I've probably had for 12 years or so. Every now and then something slips through but it's pretty good. When I look at the spam folder I see I probably get 20:1 spam:legit email.

jjav 6y ago
And gmail spam filters are very bad, in comparison. My own email server gets way less spam than my gmail account, and never any false positives, which are a huge problem on gmail.
- eythian 6y ago
  On my own mailserver with spamassassin, I had my very first false positive in years just yesterday. It seemed that however the organisation emailing me does it, they're using mail hosts on blocklists.

jjav 6y ago

Yes! It is interesting, and quite a twist, that spam in email is by far the least of spam problems these days. I get hardly any spam ever on email anymore (on my own email server). Was going to say once a month but no, it's way less than that. And yet, I'm getting a constant barrage of spam over SMS and voicemail, there's no stopping that.

flyinghamster 6y ago

> Because of such things like DKIM, I really don't have an email spam problem, or if I do, it is because I signed up for it myself. Running home and work mail servers, I would disagree. If I let my shields down, I get kajillions of spam emails from snowshoe [0] spam operators (assuming it's not all the same operation!), coming from hundreds of IP addresses in dozens of /24s, all with random word salad domain names, valid DKIM, and valid DMARC, with domain registrations that lead nowhere. Blocking whole /24s and certain egregious TLDs is the only way to stem the tide. As long as there are ISPs, colo/cloud providers, and registrars who are willing to pocket the cash and look the other way, nothing's going to improve. [0] https://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/Glossary#233 https://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/Glossary#233