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> Everything in life has turned to spam. Why do we do this to ourselves?

echelon 5y ago
Because we don't punish the spammers. And by spammers, I mean the big "nice" players too, like Google and Facebook. We tolerate them, and every year they grow a little more evil and audacious.
- gogopuppygogo 5y ago
  Google and Facebook are surveillance capitalists but they don’t spam me...
  - echelon 5y ago
    AMP links, search results with ads at higher placement, reordered news feeds to drive engagement of viral content, streamlined interfaces (goodbye URL) that belie a sinister purpose... Your filter is constantly being spammed.
    - stjohnswarts 5y ago
      Not mine, I use duckduckgo. Might be slightly inferior results to google but it works 95% of the time for what I'm looking for
      - InitialLastName 5y ago
        All ddg ever gets me are hyper-SEO'ed content farms.
  - zo1 5y ago
    I think we need to start considering ads as spam. It's just the medium is different.
    - Nasrudith 5y ago
      No that is you relabeling things you don't like. Just because publishers call unauthorized reproduction and distribution piracy doesn't mean you can just start referring to added arbitrary subfees to bills child molestation.
pjc50 5y ago
Not "we", a fairly small number of completely anti social people who are happy to destroy a resource for others if they can make money.
- Nextgrid 5y ago
  I disagree, it's indeed "we" as in a big chunk of this community. "We" just call it differently like "growth hacking" or "marketing" or "engaging" people to legitimize it.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Not really, I guarantee if they actually tracked down these scheisters and got the top 100 call volume would go down 95%.
    - murph-almighty 5y ago
      It's even easier, really, just release their real phone number.
  - Nasrudith 5y ago
    There is always a small minority of those whiners complaining that Google is too powerful and destroying their business when if their emails were actually desired they would be contacted back.
robcohen 5y ago
We did this to ourselves by not making our systems Sybil resistant or DoS resistant. Bitcoin solves this problem by requiring a fee to submit a transaction to the ledger (Denial of Service). lightning does this by requiring you to select who you network with (sybil). Solution is for any modality is to restrict to known good addresses, and for anyone else charge a substantial fee.

Because we don't punish the spammers. And by spammers, I mean the big "nice" players too, like Google and Facebook. We tolerate them, and every year they grow a little more evil and audacious.

gogopuppygogo 5y ago
Google and Facebook are surveillance capitalists but they don’t spam me...
- echelon 5y ago
  AMP links, search results with ads at higher placement, reordered news feeds to drive engagement of viral content, streamlined interfaces (goodbye URL) that belie a sinister purpose... Your filter is constantly being spammed.
  - stjohnswarts 5y ago
    Not mine, I use duckduckgo. Might be slightly inferior results to google but it works 95% of the time for what I'm looking for
    - InitialLastName 5y ago
      All ddg ever gets me are hyper-SEO'ed content farms.
- zo1 5y ago
  I think we need to start considering ads as spam. It's just the medium is different.
  - Nasrudith 5y ago
    No that is you relabeling things you don't like. Just because publishers call unauthorized reproduction and distribution piracy doesn't mean you can just start referring to added arbitrary subfees to bills child molestation.

pjc50 5y ago

Not "we", a fairly small number of completely anti social people who are happy to destroy a resource for others if they can make money.

Nextgrid 5y ago
I disagree, it's indeed "we" as in a big chunk of this community. "We" just call it differently like "growth hacking" or "marketing" or "engaging" people to legitimize it.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Not really, I guarantee if they actually tracked down these scheisters and got the top 100 call volume would go down 95%.
  - murph-almighty 5y ago
    It's even easier, really, just release their real phone number.
- Nasrudith 5y ago
  There is always a small minority of those whiners complaining that Google is too powerful and destroying their business when if their emails were actually desired they would be contacted back.

robcohen 5y ago

We did this to ourselves by not making our systems Sybil resistant or DoS resistant. Bitcoin solves this problem by requiring a fee to submit a transaction to the ledger (Denial of Service). lightning does this by requiring you to select who you network with (sybil). Solution is for any modality is to restrict to known good addresses, and for anyone else charge a substantial fee.