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Implicitly, this piece is making an argument for a return to gate keepers/taste makers of yore. I'm not sure that's better. For better or worse, would the BLM m

by tqi 6y ago

Implicitly, this piece is making an argument for a return to gate keepers/taste makers of yore. I'm not sure that's better. For better or worse, would the BLM movement have the power and reach it does today if it were filtered through establishment news sources?

Casadaro-labs 6y ago
It was filtered through establishment news sources.
- hervature 6y ago
  Right, but not on social media. The OP's point.
  - nemo44x 6y ago
    So called establishment media has in no way been critical of the movement though. Or other adjacent “movements” or ideas. They couldn’t be even if they wanted and that is the problem. You can’t really trust dishonest media that runs on fear. “Twitter is not on the masthead of the NYT, but it has become its editor.”
marshmallow_12 6y ago
Assuming BLM is a force for good.
- heterodoxxed 6y ago
  ⠀
  - skinkestek 6y ago
    and - killing of innocent people, cops and others - large scale looting and burning of shops - often smaller stores owned by minorities AFAIK I'm even afraid BLM has gotten many to question the whole story.
  - marshmallow_12 6y ago
    Have they accomplished anything else? Does that justify BLM as a political organisation? How transparent are they, and who runs it? Assumptions aren't always good. BLM is not new, and i've been disturbed by the attitudes of some supporters going back a few years.
    - heterodoxxed 6y ago
      ⠀
    - dang 6y ago
      We've banned this account because it has primarily posted unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments and ignored our requests to use the site as intended. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't delete-edit your posts like that. It leaves the thread incoherent and isn't fair to the reader or to the commenters who replied. Edit: you did that on half a dozen different posts. That's basically vandalism and is not cool. Please don't do it again.
    - heterodoxxed 6y ago
      Maybe HN should get in the 20th century and allow users to delete their comments.
      - dang 6y ago
        There are tradeoffs here. Of course we allow users to delete their comments, but once a comment has replies, deleting it deprives the replies of their context, which is not fair to the users who replied. We're trying to be fair to everybody, as well as to the community as a whole. If you delete-edit, you're doing an end run around that, which is not cool, and doing it on a whole bunch of posts is, as I said, vandalism, and something we'd ban an account for. While I have you: can you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments, especially on inflammatory topics like political or ideological ones? It's not what HN is for, and it really damages what it is for. We're trying for curious conversation here, not smiting enemies. To end on something positive, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26706409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26706409 is a comment you posted that manages to get that right, even though it's on a political/ideological topic. It gives substantive information and omits swipes—that's not easy, but it is simple—and it's the level conversations have to stay at if this place is not to destroy itself.
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- shadowgovt 6y ago
  Signs point to yes. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/killings-by-police-declined-after-black-lives-matter-protests1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/killings-by-polic...
trident5000 6y ago
BLM is a Marxist cult. Ill hard pass on it being a noble organization.
- dang 6y ago
  Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN. This is just garden-variety flamewar and not what this site is supposed to be for. Please read the rules and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
jrockway 6y ago
My greatest worry is that the freedom of speech lasted for so long because people were careful about what they used it for.

by tqi 6y ago

Casadaro-labs 6y ago

It was filtered through establishment news sources.

hervature 6y ago
Right, but not on social media. The OP's point.
- nemo44x 6y ago
  So called establishment media has in no way been critical of the movement though. Or other adjacent “movements” or ideas. They couldn’t be even if they wanted and that is the problem. You can’t really trust dishonest media that runs on fear. “Twitter is not on the masthead of the NYT, but it has become its editor.”

marshmallow_12 6y ago

Assuming BLM is a force for good.

heterodoxxed 6y ago
⠀
- skinkestek 6y ago
  and - killing of innocent people, cops and others - large scale looting and burning of shops - often smaller stores owned by minorities AFAIK I'm even afraid BLM has gotten many to question the whole story.
- marshmallow_12 6y ago
  Have they accomplished anything else? Does that justify BLM as a political organisation? How transparent are they, and who runs it? Assumptions aren't always good. BLM is not new, and i've been disturbed by the attitudes of some supporters going back a few years.
  - heterodoxxed 6y ago
    ⠀
  - dang 6y ago
    We've banned this account because it has primarily posted unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments and ignored our requests to use the site as intended. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't delete-edit your posts like that. It leaves the thread incoherent and isn't fair to the reader or to the commenters who replied. Edit: you did that on half a dozen different posts. That's basically vandalism and is not cool. Please don't do it again.
  - heterodoxxed 6y ago
    Maybe HN should get in the 20th century and allow users to delete their comments.
    - dang 6y ago
      There are tradeoffs here. Of course we allow users to delete their comments, but once a comment has replies, deleting it deprives the replies of their context, which is not fair to the users who replied. We're trying to be fair to everybody, as well as to the community as a whole. If you delete-edit, you're doing an end run around that, which is not cool, and doing it on a whole bunch of posts is, as I said, vandalism, and something we'd ban an account for. While I have you: can you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamewar comments, especially on inflammatory topics like political or ideological ones? It's not what HN is for, and it really damages what it is for. We're trying for curious conversation here, not smiting enemies. To end on something positive, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26706409 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26706409 is a comment you posted that manages to get that right, even though it's on a political/ideological topic. It gives substantive information and omits swipes—that's not easy, but it is simple—and it's the level conversations have to stay at if this place is not to destroy itself.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
shadowgovt 6y ago
Signs point to yes. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/killings-by-police-declined-after-black-lives-matter-protests1/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/killings-by-polic...

trident5000 6y ago

BLM is a Marxist cult. Ill hard pass on it being a noble organization.

dang 6y ago
Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN. This is just garden-variety flamewar and not what this site is supposed to be for. Please read the rules and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

jrockway 6y ago

My greatest worry is that the freedom of speech lasted for so long because people were careful about what they used it for.