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Serious answer: suicidal ideation is MUCH more common than almost anyone realizes, and it correlates with news about other suicides more than we'd like to admit

Serious answer: suicidal ideation is MUCH more common than almost anyone realizes, and it correlates with news about other suicides more than we'd like to admit. Making sure that people who would be otherwise encouraged in that direction have access to help at the sites doing the inducement is mostly just common sense. Can I flip this around? Why did you feel compelled to post that, in particular the last clause ("data as opposed to a feeling") which seems surprisingly dismissive of a position on a subject that by your own admission you lack expertise with? I'll be honest: that looks like anti-woke virtue signalling if I ever saw it.

vmception 6y ago
What happens on the suicide hotline? Is it adequate, does it cover the use case of people that don’t want to be here anymore? Does the common sense have any peer reviewed backing? (I previously wrote quantitative, which I would like to evaluate in the peer reviewed study) If my question provided no introspection for you, do you really think asking me my own question provided introspection for me? I am still left curious. Still lacking the context, I think the current approach is feelings based, emotion, based on heavy reactive assumptions that don’t address anything, but I don't actually know. Regarding the phrasing, I’m actually trying not to come across with my actual pretty negative opinions of this because I’m hoping someone will actually explain the cause and effect before I make those conclusions known. Explain the common sense, if the answer is “actually only a small sliver of some suicide is adequately addressed by simply talking about and we have no study and no other information about the other suicides” then just say that. I would be a lot more content if people were just able to say that or cite some other stat. As opposed to copypasta and group think. I’m not necessarily convinced that “help” is the right word for all use cases, and think people just don't want to honestly talk about. So lets just start with the basics of basics, why are we doing this.
- newacct583 6y ago
  > If my question provided no introspection for you This is more taunting hyperbole. It doesn't leave me with the impression that you want to take this seriously, and more that you want to position yourself in yet another culture war skirmish.
  - vmception 6y ago
    mmmmmmk If anyone else wants to carry the baton and provide answers to any of my questions or have a discussion about it, this is the thread to do so I answered your flipped around question and you still deflected away from answering, hoping for me to prove a new standard of why I’m not “anti-woke signaling” while I've had this skepticism and questions my whole life which predates those terms. Shame. Not necessarily on you, I think people are almost at the place to want to have this discussion, as this is the most productive discussion I’ve had so far. Either I get slightly better with wording to avoid the “ah this guy doesn't think like us on the topic of suicide” shutdown (while suicides keep happening because [maybe] copypasta doesnt do anything), or people get slightly more open to talk about why they approach suicide prevention this way.
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vmception 6y ago

What happens on the suicide hotline? Is it adequate, does it cover the use case of people that don’t want to be here anymore? Does the common sense have any peer reviewed backing? (I previously wrote quantitative, which I would like to evaluate in the peer reviewed study) If my question provided no introspection for you, do you really think asking me my own question provided introspection for me? I am still left curious. Still lacking the context, I think the current approach is feelings based, emotion, based on heavy reactive assumptions that don’t address anything, but I don't actually know. Regarding the phrasing, I’m actually trying not to come across with my actual pretty negative opinions of this because I’m hoping someone will actually explain the cause and effect before I make those conclusions known. Explain the common sense, if the answer is “actually only a small sliver of some suicide is adequately addressed by simply talking about and we have no study and no other information about the other suicides” then just say that. I would be a lot more content if people were just able to say that or cite some other stat. As opposed to copypasta and group think. I’m not necessarily convinced that “help” is the right word for all use cases, and think people just don't want to honestly talk about. So lets just start with the basics of basics, why are we doing this.

newacct583 6y ago
> If my question provided no introspection for you This is more taunting hyperbole. It doesn't leave me with the impression that you want to take this seriously, and more that you want to position yourself in yet another culture war skirmish.
- vmception 6y ago
  mmmmmmk If anyone else wants to carry the baton and provide answers to any of my questions or have a discussion about it, this is the thread to do so I answered your flipped around question and you still deflected away from answering, hoping for me to prove a new standard of why I’m not “anti-woke signaling” while I've had this skepticism and questions my whole life which predates those terms. Shame. Not necessarily on you, I think people are almost at the place to want to have this discussion, as this is the most productive discussion I’ve had so far. Either I get slightly better with wording to avoid the “ah this guy doesn't think like us on the topic of suicide” shutdown (while suicides keep happening because [maybe] copypasta doesnt do anything), or people get slightly more open to talk about why they approach suicide prevention this way.
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