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Echo chambers and confirmation bias are also known as community. I know everyone wants to “do something” but other people occupying communities whose identities

Echo chambers and confirmation bias are also known as community. I know everyone wants to “do something” but other people occupying communities whose identities and norms and beliefs you don’t like is a problem of humanity, not the internet.

croutonwagon 6y ago
See that take I don't agree with. There are plenty of communities where you can disagree without flaming. Where discussion and dissent can be had and heard without having to alienate or "pwn" them. You don't have to just ignore or exclude minority viewpoints to be a community. Most of the more welcoming communities typically embrace those as a matter of fact, and try to educate or evolve based on challenging their viewpoints.
- sthnblllII 6y ago
  In a Christian community you can't deny Christ. In a Dungeons and Dragons community you cant call everyone a nerd and tell them to play Call of Duty. In the Black community you can't be a white woman with hair extensions and claim be to be the victim of discrimination. Communities exist specifically because they exclude people from them. Sometimes thats good and sometimes its bad but attacking the very concept of a group of people organizing for a specific purpose is simply dishonest.
  - spartanatreyu 6y ago
    I think there's an important distinction to be made here. Communities aren't only exclusive, they can be anywhere on a gradient between exclusive and inclusive. An inclusive community may have a central focus, but would allow outsiders to participate. Each of your examples have both inclusive and exclusive communities.
    - what2prefer4 6y ago
      'Communities can be anywhere on a gradient between (alphabetical) exclusive and inclusive (termed), but focused (themed), and would allow outsiders to participate (eigen).' Um I like what you wrote, reminding: //wiki/Genitive; 'Indicating an attributive relationship of one noun to the other noun', 'serving purpose indicating relationships', 'may feature arguments', 'a head noun, in a construction' ...a shift, yes -but that may be way too offtopic (-;
  - croutonwagon 6y ago
    >In a Christian community you can't deny Christ. There are plenty that do. Maybe some of the fundies dont...But the entire point of Christianity is to welcome non-believers and convert them. And plenty of Protestants and even most Roman Catholic congregations I have seen are very much that way. Especially when a school is involved. > In a Dungeons and Dragons community you cant call everyone a nerd and tell them to play Call of Duty. Well of course not. That would be like...the opposite of my point. >In the Black community you can't be a white woman with hair extensions and claim be to be the victim of discrimination. Of course not. But having grown up relatively poor and in a minority of my neighborhood at that time, if you were to ask anyone from my neighborhood if i was a part of THAT community I bet they would say yes. And they absolutely were willing to fight with me/defend me when i was singled out for my, get this, race. I know plenty of members of the black community that are fine to sit down and listen to my opinions on some certain topics, again its all about respect and approach. I know plenty that would hear me out and dismiss me, and plenty that would shut it down (and i wouldnt even bother voicing in the first place).
    - sthnblllII 6y ago
      Ok. This has nothing to do with what I said.
lamontcg 6y ago
Everyone is also very concerned about everyone else's echo chambers and confirmation bias but never their own.
powerapple 6y ago
Exactly. Internet has been able to connect people, so each community become larger and louder. But the real issue is that the voice of majority is actually missing. It is like if you bought a doughnut from a shop, some will say it loud it is wonderful, if you have complains you probably will make sure you say it loud and clear, the majority people happy with it will just walk away silently. This way, the voice you hear on internet are mostly from the two extreme of spectrum, nothing in the middle. It would be nice if we have some adjust somehow.
- Dracophoenix 6y ago
  That's because there's no such thing as a majority on the internet. It's the purest form of the marketplace of ideas. And like any such marketplace, fads and ideas, behemoths or not, come and go. That's why it's important not to dive in with expectations that you're getting a true or definitive reading on issue. Outside of the most brilliant scholarly papers, one rarely does. Even in the most viewpoint-neutral and factually correct conversations, pieces and snippets are all you get.

croutonwagon 6y ago

See that take I don't agree with. There are plenty of communities where you can disagree without flaming. Where discussion and dissent can be had and heard without having to alienate or "pwn" them. You don't have to just ignore or exclude minority viewpoints to be a community. Most of the more welcoming communities typically embrace those as a matter of fact, and try to educate or evolve based on challenging their viewpoints.

sthnblllII 6y ago
In a Christian community you can't deny Christ. In a Dungeons and Dragons community you cant call everyone a nerd and tell them to play Call of Duty. In the Black community you can't be a white woman with hair extensions and claim be to be the victim of discrimination. Communities exist specifically because they exclude people from them. Sometimes thats good and sometimes its bad but attacking the very concept of a group of people organizing for a specific purpose is simply dishonest.
- spartanatreyu 6y ago
  I think there's an important distinction to be made here. Communities aren't only exclusive, they can be anywhere on a gradient between exclusive and inclusive. An inclusive community may have a central focus, but would allow outsiders to participate. Each of your examples have both inclusive and exclusive communities.
  - what2prefer4 6y ago
    'Communities can be anywhere on a gradient between (alphabetical) exclusive and inclusive (termed), but focused (themed), and would allow outsiders to participate (eigen).' Um I like what you wrote, reminding: //wiki/Genitive; 'Indicating an attributive relationship of one noun to the other noun', 'serving purpose indicating relationships', 'may feature arguments', 'a head noun, in a construction' ...a shift, yes -but that may be way too offtopic (-;
- croutonwagon 6y ago
  >In a Christian community you can't deny Christ. There are plenty that do. Maybe some of the fundies dont...But the entire point of Christianity is to welcome non-believers and convert them. And plenty of Protestants and even most Roman Catholic congregations I have seen are very much that way. Especially when a school is involved. > In a Dungeons and Dragons community you cant call everyone a nerd and tell them to play Call of Duty. Well of course not. That would be like...the opposite of my point. >In the Black community you can't be a white woman with hair extensions and claim be to be the victim of discrimination. Of course not. But having grown up relatively poor and in a minority of my neighborhood at that time, if you were to ask anyone from my neighborhood if i was a part of THAT community I bet they would say yes. And they absolutely were willing to fight with me/defend me when i was singled out for my, get this, race. I know plenty of members of the black community that are fine to sit down and listen to my opinions on some certain topics, again its all about respect and approach. I know plenty that would hear me out and dismiss me, and plenty that would shut it down (and i wouldnt even bother voicing in the first place).
  - sthnblllII 6y ago
    Ok. This has nothing to do with what I said.

lamontcg 6y ago

Everyone is also very concerned about everyone else's echo chambers and confirmation bias but never their own.

powerapple 6y ago

Exactly. Internet has been able to connect people, so each community become larger and louder. But the real issue is that the voice of majority is actually missing. It is like if you bought a doughnut from a shop, some will say it loud it is wonderful, if you have complains you probably will make sure you say it loud and clear, the majority people happy with it will just walk away silently. This way, the voice you hear on internet are mostly from the two extreme of spectrum, nothing in the middle. It would be nice if we have some adjust somehow.

Dracophoenix 6y ago
That's because there's no such thing as a majority on the internet. It's the purest form of the marketplace of ideas. And like any such marketplace, fads and ideas, behemoths or not, come and go. That's why it's important not to dive in with expectations that you're getting a true or definitive reading on issue. Outside of the most brilliant scholarly papers, one rarely does. Even in the most viewpoint-neutral and factually correct conversations, pieces and snippets are all you get.