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Uh no, not backdoor climate emergency denial. I survived in the 2018 Paradise fire. The main problem there was no rain for 200+ days, coupled with strong, dry w

Uh no, not backdoor climate emergency denial. I survived in the 2018 Paradise fire. The main problem there was no rain for 200+ days, coupled with strong, dry winds in a particular direction, and PG&E's 100+-year-old under-maintained, bare powerlines that broke off their ancient fasteners. The reason for the 200+ days of no rain is likely related to both rising average temperatures, breaking record-after-record each year, and the lack of enough Arctic sea ice pack to stabilize the Arctic's jet-stream. Without a stable jet-stream, it breaks off into disjointed loops and also dips down into lower latitudes. This causes havoc and seemingly more random/variable/intense weather in N America. Blizzard in Austin, for example, which never anticipated such an occurrence that far south.

listenallyall 6y ago
> The main problem there No, the main problem there was a neighborhood situated in a highly flammable area in the middle of a forest.
- carpedimebagjoe 6y ago
  It wasn't a "forest." I lived there for five years. It was islands of tall trees. Nearly all of them were maintained by arborists because of the liability of widowmakers. Our 1/2 acre yard had 7 tall trees and two giant lawns, nothing close to a "forest." The trees were only "highly-flammable" because of the extreme lack of rain drying out the brush acting as kindling and the trees acting as fuel.
  - listenallyall 6y ago
    > It wasn't a "forest" Says you. “People were living in the forest,” he said. https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article249017825.html https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article24901782... “Anybody in their right mind would know that the whole town was a large oak forest, and everybody was at risk,” Scherer said. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-camp-fire-deathtrap-20181230-story.html%3f_amp=true https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/californi...
    - carpedimebagjoe 6y ago
      Don't insult or disrespect me because I lived there and escaped the fire. Did you live there? Were you there? I have eyes, noticed the many tree species everyday, and density that was there before the disaster capitalism resource exploiters came in and cut down every tree that homeowners didn't defend ($1000+ per log). We had mostly pines in our yard that were constantly attacked by borer beetles and helped by woodpeckers. There were some places with more trees than others, but it wasn't an "oak forest." There were a dozen different species of trees. Our house survived because there wasn't fuel right next to the building and building codes work. Many of the houses that burned were dilapidated/poorly maintained, had trees overhanging or too close to their homes, or had fuel like bushes, pine needles, or firewood next to them. Do you know how many trash cans-full of pine needles I cleaned out of the gutters before putting gutter-guards in? Gimme a break with your know-nothing reporter regurgitated soundbite quips.
      - listenallyall 6y ago
        You're reinforcing my point. YOUR house didn't burn because you took a great deal of preventative measures and were extra-vigilant. The majority of people's houses did not survive, because they simply never realized (or just discounted) the enormous danger their property, and the entire city, was in, based on its location and proximity to the surrounding forest. In other cities, homes don't have large quantities of pine needles piling up. I really don't see how you can claim the town was NOT extraordinarily prone to fire, given what happened. PG&E has poorly-maintained powerlines all over the state and they often start small fires, but those don't result in the destruction of an entire town, except when the town and its surrounding area is a tinderbox.
29083011397778 6y ago
> Blizzard in Austin, for example, which never anticipated such an occurrence that far south The ERCOT report [0] on the 2011 Texas outage states, verbatim, > "The winter weather event of February 1-5, 2011 was determined to be a one in ten year event for some regions of Texas in terms of low temperature extremes and duration." Or, if you'd rather be kinder to Texas power generators while using the same report, > "Taking these temperature extremes into account, and coupling them with the sustained winds of this event, it is estimated that the resultant [...] event suffered by many Texas generation facilities approached a one in 25 year severity." With this decade-old report suggesting extreme cold may well occur roughly once per decade, I will respectfully follow up with: Never anticipated my ass. [0] http://www.ercot.com/content/meetings/other/keydocs/2011/20110608-OTHER/Winter_Weather_Readiness_for_Texas_Generators1.doc http://www.ercot.com/content/meetings/other/keydocs/2011/201...

listenallyall 6y ago

> The main problem there No, the main problem there was a neighborhood situated in a highly flammable area in the middle of a forest.

carpedimebagjoe 6y ago
It wasn't a "forest." I lived there for five years. It was islands of tall trees. Nearly all of them were maintained by arborists because of the liability of widowmakers. Our 1/2 acre yard had 7 tall trees and two giant lawns, nothing close to a "forest." The trees were only "highly-flammable" because of the extreme lack of rain drying out the brush acting as kindling and the trees acting as fuel.
- listenallyall 6y ago
  > It wasn't a "forest" Says you. “People were living in the forest,” he said. https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article249017825.html https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article24901782... “Anybody in their right mind would know that the whole town was a large oak forest, and everybody was at risk,” Scherer said. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-camp-fire-deathtrap-20181230-story.html%3f_amp=true https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/californi...
  - carpedimebagjoe 6y ago
    Don't insult or disrespect me because I lived there and escaped the fire. Did you live there? Were you there? I have eyes, noticed the many tree species everyday, and density that was there before the disaster capitalism resource exploiters came in and cut down every tree that homeowners didn't defend ($1000+ per log). We had mostly pines in our yard that were constantly attacked by borer beetles and helped by woodpeckers. There were some places with more trees than others, but it wasn't an "oak forest." There were a dozen different species of trees. Our house survived because there wasn't fuel right next to the building and building codes work. Many of the houses that burned were dilapidated/poorly maintained, had trees overhanging or too close to their homes, or had fuel like bushes, pine needles, or firewood next to them. Do you know how many trash cans-full of pine needles I cleaned out of the gutters before putting gutter-guards in? Gimme a break with your know-nothing reporter regurgitated soundbite quips.
    - listenallyall 6y ago
      You're reinforcing my point. YOUR house didn't burn because you took a great deal of preventative measures and were extra-vigilant. The majority of people's houses did not survive, because they simply never realized (or just discounted) the enormous danger their property, and the entire city, was in, based on its location and proximity to the surrounding forest. In other cities, homes don't have large quantities of pine needles piling up. I really don't see how you can claim the town was NOT extraordinarily prone to fire, given what happened. PG&E has poorly-maintained powerlines all over the state and they often start small fires, but those don't result in the destruction of an entire town, except when the town and its surrounding area is a tinderbox.

29083011397778 6y ago

> Blizzard in Austin, for example, which never anticipated such an occurrence that far south The ERCOT report [0] on the 2011 Texas outage states, verbatim, > "The winter weather event of February 1-5, 2011 was determined to be a one in ten year event for some regions of Texas in terms of low temperature extremes and duration." Or, if you'd rather be kinder to Texas power generators while using the same report, > "Taking these temperature extremes into account, and coupling them with the sustained winds of this event, it is estimated that the resultant [...] event suffered by many Texas generation facilities approached a one in 25 year severity." With this decade-old report suggesting extreme cold may well occur roughly once per decade, I will respectfully follow up with: Never anticipated my ass. [0] http://www.ercot.com/content/meetings/other/keydocs/2011/20110608-OTHER/Winter_Weather_Readiness_for_Texas_Generators1.doc http://www.ercot.com/content/meetings/other/keydocs/2011/201...