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110+ million vaccinations in the US and holy goddamn, no major issues. 31 million infections and 550,000+ dead, in a year. Millions of long haul COVID cases. De

by titzer 6y ago

110+ million vaccinations in the US and holy goddamn, no major issues. 31 million infections and 550,000+ dead, in a year. Millions of long haul COVID cases. Debilitating lung conditions, brain fog, lasting consequences already from the virus, and you wanna crow about long term consequences of the vaccine. What in the actual roasting hell. I've noticed you, specifically, posting pro-virus misinformation since the very beginning. Half a million people died, man. I wish you would just spare us your trolling, damn it!

chrisco255 6y ago
You have no idea, those people received this treatment 2 months ago. You absolutely have no clue what long term effects are one year out, five years out, 10 years out. Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. Their body, their choice, none of your business.
- jjulius 6y ago
  >Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. What are you even referring to? Literally no one has to get a vaccine if they don't want it. Nobody in the comment chain you're replying in had advocated for forced innoculation. This is 100% already a "their body, their choice" situation.
  - titzer 6y ago
    It's worse than that. They are literally rolling out misinformation--lies, really--to try to convince people to not get vaccinated. Comment history on the topic of COVID is littered with trollish behavior and bonkers-bad reasoning fitting a pattern.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      I always provide sources for my facts. See above. The parent comment was an opinion. Meanwhile, you don't have access to a long-term study on any Covid treatment, because not enough time has passed. That's not misinformation. That's math. Blood clots cause strokes. You have no idea if Covid treatment increases your odds of having a stroke in 10 years. I invite you to study the history of various medical treatments that turned out to have unintended consequences on unsuspecting populations. Good luck either way. Stay healthy and stay free.
      - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
        Care to provide your source for people being vaccinated against their will?
        chrisco255 6y ago
        https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/us/covid-vaccine-passport-explainer/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/us/covid-vaccine-passport-exp...
        jjulius 6y ago
        Literally nothing in that link suggests anybody will be forced to get a vaccine against their will.
      - jankyxenon 6y ago
        Imagine having to do 10 year studies on any drug before releasing it.
        chrisco255 6y ago
        Isn't that the average for a new drug? "The full research, development and approval process can last from 12 to 15 years." "If the FDA gives the green light, the investigational drug will then enter three phases of clinical trials: Phase 1: About 20 to 80 healthy volunteers to establish a drug's safety and profile, and takes about 1 year. Safety, metabolism and excretion of the drug are also emphasized. Phase 2: Roughly 100 to 300 patient volunteers to assess the drug's effectiveness in those with a specific condition or disease. This phase runs about 2 years. Groups of similar patients may receive the actual drug compared to a placebo (inactive pill) or other active drug to determine if the drug has an effect. Safety and side effects are reviewed. Phase 3: Typically, several thousand patients are monitored in clinics and hospitals to carefully determine effectiveness and identify further side effects. Different types and age ranges of patients are evaluated. The manufacturer may look at different doses as well as the experimental drug in combination with other treatments. This phase runs about about 3 years on average." https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    Fine, then what issue do you have with my comment? Pressuring or rushing to inject people who have no statistical risk is just adding to the overall risk equation And when I hear rumblings of vaccine passports and all this nonsense in the news and I see some people's general attitude towards Covid vaccination: you're either for it or you're a flat earthling neophyte. At any rate, point I'm trying to make: There's less than 3700 deaths for Under 34 year olds in the United States, from Covid19 [1]. And that number will go down with every year that passes from here on out, because a broader percentage of that demographic already has herd immunity. In fact, there's much more important health problems to focus on for those demographics. Suicide, heart disease, homicide, car accidents, liver disease, diabetes, etc. Population under 34: 148M Covid19 deaths under 34 in first year of existence, with no immunity in population: 3710 Flu & pneumonia deaths for pop under 34 in 2018 was 1857 [3]. Odds of dying of Covid19 under 34 in first year of its existence: .0025% Odds of long-term consequences from RNA therapy from AZ, J&J, or Pfizer treatment: ??? Unknown. It could increase your odds of having a stroke at in 10 years. No one knows. If it's causing blood clots, that's a distinct possibility. [1] https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/ https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/c... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the... [3] https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_death_by_age_group_2018-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_dea...
    - jjulius 6y ago
      >Fine, then what issue do you have with my comment? It's pretty obvious if you read my comment. You said, "Stop violating people's human rights", and I said nobody's rights are being violated. Putting it to you as clearly as possible, your rights are not being violated until you are being strapped into a chair and having a vaccine forced into you, and that's simply not going to happen. Some regions may adopt a "passport" system for the relative short-term but even then, you still do not have to get a vaccine if you don't want to. You just may have to wait a little bit longer than the vaccinated to get back to participating in certain things, but you would still be exercising your right to not get vaccinated. It's as simple as that, and has nothing to do with the rambling that followed your question.

by titzer 6y ago

chrisco255 6y ago

You have no idea, those people received this treatment 2 months ago. You absolutely have no clue what long term effects are one year out, five years out, 10 years out. Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. Their body, their choice, none of your business.

jjulius 6y ago
>Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. What are you even referring to? Literally no one has to get a vaccine if they don't want it. Nobody in the comment chain you're replying in had advocated for forced innoculation. This is 100% already a "their body, their choice" situation.
- titzer 6y ago
  It's worse than that. They are literally rolling out misinformation--lies, really--to try to convince people to not get vaccinated. Comment history on the topic of COVID is littered with trollish behavior and bonkers-bad reasoning fitting a pattern.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    I always provide sources for my facts. See above. The parent comment was an opinion. Meanwhile, you don't have access to a long-term study on any Covid treatment, because not enough time has passed. That's not misinformation. That's math. Blood clots cause strokes. You have no idea if Covid treatment increases your odds of having a stroke in 10 years. I invite you to study the history of various medical treatments that turned out to have unintended consequences on unsuspecting populations. Good luck either way. Stay healthy and stay free.
    - amanaplanacanal 6y ago
      Care to provide your source for people being vaccinated against their will?
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/us/covid-vaccine-passport-explainer/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/07/us/covid-vaccine-passport-exp...
        jjulius 6y ago
        Literally nothing in that link suggests anybody will be forced to get a vaccine against their will.
    - jankyxenon 6y ago
      Imagine having to do 10 year studies on any drug before releasing it.
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        Isn't that the average for a new drug? "The full research, development and approval process can last from 12 to 15 years." "If the FDA gives the green light, the investigational drug will then enter three phases of clinical trials: Phase 1: About 20 to 80 healthy volunteers to establish a drug's safety and profile, and takes about 1 year. Safety, metabolism and excretion of the drug are also emphasized. Phase 2: Roughly 100 to 300 patient volunteers to assess the drug's effectiveness in those with a specific condition or disease. This phase runs about 2 years. Groups of similar patients may receive the actual drug compared to a placebo (inactive pill) or other active drug to determine if the drug has an effect. Safety and side effects are reviewed. Phase 3: Typically, several thousand patients are monitored in clinics and hospitals to carefully determine effectiveness and identify further side effects. Different types and age ranges of patients are evaluated. The manufacturer may look at different doses as well as the experimental drug in combination with other treatments. This phase runs about about 3 years on average." https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html https://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Fine, then what issue do you have with my comment? Pressuring or rushing to inject people who have no statistical risk is just adding to the overall risk equation And when I hear rumblings of vaccine passports and all this nonsense in the news and I see some people's general attitude towards Covid vaccination: you're either for it or you're a flat earthling neophyte. At any rate, point I'm trying to make: There's less than 3700 deaths for Under 34 year olds in the United States, from Covid19 [1]. And that number will go down with every year that passes from here on out, because a broader percentage of that demographic already has herd immunity. In fact, there's much more important health problems to focus on for those demographics. Suicide, heart disease, homicide, car accidents, liver disease, diabetes, etc. Population under 34: 148M Covid19 deaths under 34 in first year of existence, with no immunity in population: 3710 Flu & pneumonia deaths for pop under 34 in 2018 was 1857 [3]. Odds of dying of Covid19 under 34 in first year of its existence: .0025% Odds of long-term consequences from RNA therapy from AZ, J&J, or Pfizer treatment: ??? Unknown. It could increase your odds of having a stroke at in 10 years. No one knows. If it's causing blood clots, that's a distinct possibility. [1] https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/ https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/c... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the... [3] https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_death_by_age_group_2018-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_dea...
  - jjulius 6y ago
    >Fine, then what issue do you have with my comment? It's pretty obvious if you read my comment. You said, "Stop violating people's human rights", and I said nobody's rights are being violated. Putting it to you as clearly as possible, your rights are not being violated until you are being strapped into a chair and having a vaccine forced into you, and that's simply not going to happen. Some regions may adopt a "passport" system for the relative short-term but even then, you still do not have to get a vaccine if you don't want to. You just may have to wait a little bit longer than the vaccinated to get back to participating in certain things, but you would still be exercising your right to not get vaccinated. It's as simple as that, and has nothing to do with the rambling that followed your question.