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So I created a new account for this to avoid linking personal information... I had blood clots in my lungs last week a few days after getting the J&J vaccine.

So I created a new account for this to avoid linking personal information... I had blood clots in my lungs last week a few days after getting the J&J vaccine. I'm an otherwise totally healthy man in my 30s, no preconditions. The hospital reported it to the vaccine reporting agency, which I assume is reviewing all this information. I'm not sure if they considered my case when making this decision. My clots were different type than what these women experienced (pulmonary, not cerebral). Of course vaccinating the public is extremely important right now. If the risks of clotting really are 1 in a million, it makes sense to re-instate it. I also think that's an obvious conclusion and the people working on this are well aware of the public health trade-off. I suspect they are working with more information than what's in the press release, and its prudent to give them some time to work through it.

chrisco255 5y ago
These are not vaccines. They are gene therapy marketed as vaccines. No one has any clue as to their long term side effects. The under 30 odds of death for Covid-19 are statistically zero percent. The rush to inject a brand new medication into the entire world pop without regards for individual risk profile is ridiculous, reckless, madness.
- lucasmullens 5y ago
  > No one has any clue as to their long term side effects. The under 30 odds of death for Covid-19 are statistically zero percent. Can't you flip that around? No one has any clue as to the long term side effects of Covid-19. The under 30 odds of death for getting the vaccine are statistically zero percent.
- titzer 5y ago
  110+ million vaccinations in the US and holy goddamn, no major issues. 31 million infections and 550,000+ dead, in a year. Millions of long haul COVID cases. Debilitating lung conditions, brain fog, lasting consequences already from the virus, and you wanna crow about long term consequences of the vaccine. What in the actual roasting hell. I've noticed you, specifically, posting pro-virus misinformation since the very beginning. Half a million people died, man. I wish you would just spare us your trolling, damn it!
  - chrisco255 5y ago
    You have no idea, those people received this treatment 2 months ago. You absolutely have no clue what long term effects are one year out, five years out, 10 years out. Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. Their body, their choice, none of your business.
    - jjulius 5y ago
      >Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. What are you even referring to? Literally no one has to get a vaccine if they don't want it. Nobody in the comment chain you're replying in had advocated for forced innoculation. This is 100% already a "their body, their choice" situation.
      - titzer 5y ago
        It's worse than that. They are literally rolling out misinformation--lies, really--to try to convince people to not get vaccinated. Comment history on the topic of COVID is littered with trollish behavior and bonkers-bad reasoning fitting a pattern.
        chrisco255 5y ago
        I always provide sources for my facts. See above. The parent comment was an opinion. Meanwhile, you don't have access to a long-term study on any Covid treatment, because not enough time has passed. That's not misinformation. That's math. Blood clots cause strokes. You have no idea if Covid treatment increases your odds of having a stroke in 10 years. I invite you to study the history of various medical treatments that turned out to have unintended consequences on unsuspecting populations. Good luck either way. Stay healthy and stay free.
        amanaplanacanal 5y ago
        Care to provide your source for people being vaccinated against their will?
- adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
  This is false. MRNA vaccines have no relation to gene therapy. MRNA is not turned into DNA by the body, and is fully gone from the body within a couple days. As such, there are no possible long term effects related to the vaccine being MRNA vs traditional protein based vaccines.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  They are vaccines and you should update your knowledge. Herd immunity needs to happen or our economy and health will be suffering for years. The chance of complications is also basically zero. If you want to chicken out and not get one that's fine, but don't spread disinformation. The mRNA vaccine is not gene therapy. Again you are spreading misinformation with that. Stop reading right wing trash sites and read some science sites.
yumraj 5y ago
what were your symptoms that led you to go to the hospital to get checked for clots? What is someone getting a vaccine as such is supposed to look for?
- newaccount7 5y ago
  I got a little out of breath doing simple tasks like walking briskly or picking up my kids, and I had a pain in my back (actually lung) that gradually got worse over a few days. Eventually the pain was severe enough that I went to the ER. Looking back, the shortness of breath was a key indicator. It wasn't that I was struggling to breathe or anything, but I felt like I couldn't take a big deep breath easily and that's not normal. The pain would also get worse at night when I tried to lie down to go to sleep. I thought I had pulled a muscle in my back at first, but it was quite painful.
  - yumraj 5y ago
    Thanks. I’m hoping you’re well now and the clot was treated.
  - _rs 5y ago
    How were you treated for this, and how has recovery been?
    - newaccount7 5y ago
      They put me on blood thinners right away to prevent future clots and prevent the clots from getting bigger. I’ll be on them for at least a few months. They then put me on pain meds and supplemental oxygen for a few days and watched me. The pain went away after a few days (I assume when the inflammation went down). They didn’t actually treat the clots themselves. The body apparently does that itself over the course of a few weeks and months. There are invasive surgical ways to try to break them up but they felt I wasn’t bad enough to risk it since I could sit up and breathe on my own. They checked my heart for tissue damage and thankfully didn’t find any. So now they’re doing a slew of tests to find the cause (genetics? Cancer? So far tests show cancer is unlikely). Recovery has been good to be honest. I’m not really in pain. I do get out of breathe very easily but they say that’s normal and should go away in a few weeks as the clots dissipate. The lung damage should heal, I think. The real danger from more clots to the brain or damaging the heart are prevented by the blood thinners, which are apparently highly effective. So I think I got lucky and I’m glad I went to the ER when I did.
SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
The PR release tells people to watch for pain in their legs. So I think it’s possible and likely that clots are not only cerebral but arterial and venous. But, IDK and I’m super skeptical they’re willing to halt vaccine and take this hit for 6 known cases. My guess is 6 deaths they’re willing to acknowledge and a few more cases that will come out. But again, I know nothing and I would’ve expected their stock price to take a hit today. Hope you get better soon.
- newaccount7 5y ago
  Thanks. As I've now learned, almost all of these clots originate in the legs and pelvis and then travel to other parts of the body (lungs, brain). So I think that's why they're telling people to watch for leg pain. I didn't have any issues with my legs, but it's apparently a common symptom to have pain and swelling there.
roody15 5y ago
I agree for the US to pause the rollout is likely based on more data than 6 known cases of clotting. Not trying to be conspiratorial but my two cents is the authorities have more data then what is publicly being shared.
- londons_explore 5y ago
  Or they are aware that data reporting is spotty - many deaths could have happened and been attributed to other causes. How many heart attacks or strokes happened in those 6 million people? How many of those might have involved undetected clots? If we assume that only 5% of cases are being detected and reported correctly, then the numbers look quite different.
fspeech 5y ago
Clotting happens much more frequently with or without vaccination. The reported cases are a kind of very rare type of clotting. It's easier to spot something unusual going on when mutiple rare events are observed. In comparison there have been over 2000 deaths reported (US, all vaccines). But death is not unusual and unless one can find a specific link to vaccination that number alone is not alarming. Sometimes we live with known risk, anaphylactic shocks e.g., because they are unavoidable and benefits outweigh risk. But we do what we can to mitigate such risk. In summary the current pause is triggered by the particular type of clotting, not just any clotting. But your case should contribute to the overall evaluation of the likely cause and risk.
disabled 5y ago
I am so sorry. As somebody who has experienced pulmonary embolism, this is so scary. Make sure to never forget to take your blood thinning medicine. You absolutely must get the blood clots completely dissolved, and the blood thinner medicine is highly effective at getting rid of it, if you take it.
tomcam 5y ago
Thanks for sharing and for keeping such a clear mind. My best to you.

chrisco255 5y ago

These are not vaccines. They are gene therapy marketed as vaccines. No one has any clue as to their long term side effects. The under 30 odds of death for Covid-19 are statistically zero percent. The rush to inject a brand new medication into the entire world pop without regards for individual risk profile is ridiculous, reckless, madness.

lucasmullens 5y ago
> No one has any clue as to their long term side effects. The under 30 odds of death for Covid-19 are statistically zero percent. Can't you flip that around? No one has any clue as to the long term side effects of Covid-19. The under 30 odds of death for getting the vaccine are statistically zero percent.
titzer 5y ago
110+ million vaccinations in the US and holy goddamn, no major issues. 31 million infections and 550,000+ dead, in a year. Millions of long haul COVID cases. Debilitating lung conditions, brain fog, lasting consequences already from the virus, and you wanna crow about long term consequences of the vaccine. What in the actual roasting hell. I've noticed you, specifically, posting pro-virus misinformation since the very beginning. Half a million people died, man. I wish you would just spare us your trolling, damn it!
- chrisco255 5y ago
  You have no idea, those people received this treatment 2 months ago. You absolutely have no clue what long term effects are one year out, five years out, 10 years out. Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. Their body, their choice, none of your business.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    >Stop violating people's human rights to make their own individual medical choices. What are you even referring to? Literally no one has to get a vaccine if they don't want it. Nobody in the comment chain you're replying in had advocated for forced innoculation. This is 100% already a "their body, their choice" situation.
    - titzer 5y ago
      It's worse than that. They are literally rolling out misinformation--lies, really--to try to convince people to not get vaccinated. Comment history on the topic of COVID is littered with trollish behavior and bonkers-bad reasoning fitting a pattern.
      - chrisco255 5y ago
        I always provide sources for my facts. See above. The parent comment was an opinion. Meanwhile, you don't have access to a long-term study on any Covid treatment, because not enough time has passed. That's not misinformation. That's math. Blood clots cause strokes. You have no idea if Covid treatment increases your odds of having a stroke in 10 years. I invite you to study the history of various medical treatments that turned out to have unintended consequences on unsuspecting populations. Good luck either way. Stay healthy and stay free.
        amanaplanacanal 5y ago
        Care to provide your source for people being vaccinated against their will?
adgjlsfhk1 5y ago
This is false. MRNA vaccines have no relation to gene therapy. MRNA is not turned into DNA by the body, and is fully gone from the body within a couple days. As such, there are no possible long term effects related to the vaccine being MRNA vs traditional protein based vaccines.
stjohnswarts 5y ago
They are vaccines and you should update your knowledge. Herd immunity needs to happen or our economy and health will be suffering for years. The chance of complications is also basically zero. If you want to chicken out and not get one that's fine, but don't spread disinformation. The mRNA vaccine is not gene therapy. Again you are spreading misinformation with that. Stop reading right wing trash sites and read some science sites.

yumraj 5y ago

what were your symptoms that led you to go to the hospital to get checked for clots? What is someone getting a vaccine as such is supposed to look for?

newaccount7 5y ago
I got a little out of breath doing simple tasks like walking briskly or picking up my kids, and I had a pain in my back (actually lung) that gradually got worse over a few days. Eventually the pain was severe enough that I went to the ER. Looking back, the shortness of breath was a key indicator. It wasn't that I was struggling to breathe or anything, but I felt like I couldn't take a big deep breath easily and that's not normal. The pain would also get worse at night when I tried to lie down to go to sleep. I thought I had pulled a muscle in my back at first, but it was quite painful.
- yumraj 5y ago
  Thanks. I’m hoping you’re well now and the clot was treated.
- _rs 5y ago
  How were you treated for this, and how has recovery been?
  - newaccount7 5y ago
    They put me on blood thinners right away to prevent future clots and prevent the clots from getting bigger. I’ll be on them for at least a few months. They then put me on pain meds and supplemental oxygen for a few days and watched me. The pain went away after a few days (I assume when the inflammation went down). They didn’t actually treat the clots themselves. The body apparently does that itself over the course of a few weeks and months. There are invasive surgical ways to try to break them up but they felt I wasn’t bad enough to risk it since I could sit up and breathe on my own. They checked my heart for tissue damage and thankfully didn’t find any. So now they’re doing a slew of tests to find the cause (genetics? Cancer? So far tests show cancer is unlikely). Recovery has been good to be honest. I’m not really in pain. I do get out of breathe very easily but they say that’s normal and should go away in a few weeks as the clots dissipate. The lung damage should heal, I think. The real danger from more clots to the brain or damaging the heart are prevented by the blood thinners, which are apparently highly effective. So I think I got lucky and I’m glad I went to the ER when I did.

SV_BubbleTime 5y ago

The PR release tells people to watch for pain in their legs. So I think it’s possible and likely that clots are not only cerebral but arterial and venous. But, IDK and I’m super skeptical they’re willing to halt vaccine and take this hit for 6 known cases. My guess is 6 deaths they’re willing to acknowledge and a few more cases that will come out. But again, I know nothing and I would’ve expected their stock price to take a hit today. Hope you get better soon.

newaccount7 5y ago
Thanks. As I've now learned, almost all of these clots originate in the legs and pelvis and then travel to other parts of the body (lungs, brain). So I think that's why they're telling people to watch for leg pain. I didn't have any issues with my legs, but it's apparently a common symptom to have pain and swelling there.

roody15 5y ago

I agree for the US to pause the rollout is likely based on more data than 6 known cases of clotting. Not trying to be conspiratorial but my two cents is the authorities have more data then what is publicly being shared.

londons_explore 5y ago
Or they are aware that data reporting is spotty - many deaths could have happened and been attributed to other causes. How many heart attacks or strokes happened in those 6 million people? How many of those might have involved undetected clots? If we assume that only 5% of cases are being detected and reported correctly, then the numbers look quite different.

fspeech 5y ago

Clotting happens much more frequently with or without vaccination. The reported cases are a kind of very rare type of clotting. It's easier to spot something unusual going on when mutiple rare events are observed. In comparison there have been over 2000 deaths reported (US, all vaccines). But death is not unusual and unless one can find a specific link to vaccination that number alone is not alarming. Sometimes we live with known risk, anaphylactic shocks e.g., because they are unavoidable and benefits outweigh risk. But we do what we can to mitigate such risk. In summary the current pause is triggered by the particular type of clotting, not just any clotting. But your case should contribute to the overall evaluation of the likely cause and risk.

disabled 5y ago

I am so sorry. As somebody who has experienced pulmonary embolism, this is so scary. Make sure to never forget to take your blood thinning medicine. You absolutely must get the blood clots completely dissolved, and the blood thinner medicine is highly effective at getting rid of it, if you take it.

tomcam 5y ago

Thanks for sharing and for keeping such a clear mind. My best to you.