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I'm not defending iran.im just saying we build a narrative against one side. Look at your comment, everything you said about Iran usa, Britain and Israel does t

I'm not defending iran.im just saying we build a narrative against one side. Look at your comment, everything you said about Iran usa, Britain and Israel does too. But you highlighted Iran's evil while we excuse "our own" side awful actions.

hpcjoe 5y ago
"your own side" is quite revealing. There's a game siblings sometimes play. One hits another. The injured party responds in kind. The first, the aggressor, calls their parents and complains that the second hit the first and was the aggressor. The second is then punished by the parent for aggression. This has been the rhetorical, and effectively actual history of the conflicts since prior to the founding of Israel. Iran was a "friend" until they ... changed direction ... in 1979. Israel is defending itself, actively, against existential threats. If the act of defending itself and its people causes you to label it as evil, that's your business. Iran is not defending itself against existential threats. It is actively on the offense along multiple fronts. Its activities directly and indirectly cause death of non-combatants. That is, IMO, a very basic and simple definition of evil. This isn't defense. This is offense. For the express purpose of achieving the goals they have enthusiastically repeated for decades. If you don't think that is evil, that is your business as well.
- cyberscientist 5y ago
  So Iran SAYS "Israel should be wiped out of the map", and that makes all ACTIONS (including boarder line terrorism) by Israel justified. Our way of buying into narratives and pushing them allows justifications for wars so easy. Just look at Iraq war. Narrative build and bought by us was that Sadam is bad and has bar weapons so let's go to war. Again I'm not defending Iran. In fact I really hate the regime. I'm just saying what's wrong is wrong no matter who does it.
  - hpcjoe 5y ago
    As I noted, it's not what each say. It's what they do. If you find yourself arguing against the entity that is the victim of the aggressor entity, I think you have some deep internal reflecting to do. Because such a position, is advocating against defending against actual attacks. Which the aggressor entity has done, in the open, through proxies, as well as in secret. Israel is not the aggressor entity. If this is what you support, or cannot bring yourself to accept, and insist that this is "narrative" ... Again, best thing to do is lots of internal reflection.
    - cyberscientist 5y ago
      I bet you're no where to be found when all this "Israel is the victim, Iran is the aggressor" narrative turns out to be bs. Just like all those Iraq war supports have disappeared. Even fox news back peddles now. None of them like to even admit they supported the war. Israel engages in as much despicable behaviour as Iran does. Only you paint Israel's actions as justified because it's Israel. Once again Iranian regime is god awful, this is not a defence of them. My point is, stop buying into narratives that governments build. It's called propaganda.
  - dang 5y ago
    Flamewar is not what this site is for. We've banned this account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

hpcjoe 5y ago

"your own side" is quite revealing. There's a game siblings sometimes play. One hits another. The injured party responds in kind. The first, the aggressor, calls their parents and complains that the second hit the first and was the aggressor. The second is then punished by the parent for aggression. This has been the rhetorical, and effectively actual history of the conflicts since prior to the founding of Israel. Iran was a "friend" until they ... changed direction ... in 1979. Israel is defending itself, actively, against existential threats. If the act of defending itself and its people causes you to label it as evil, that's your business. Iran is not defending itself against existential threats. It is actively on the offense along multiple fronts. Its activities directly and indirectly cause death of non-combatants. That is, IMO, a very basic and simple definition of evil. This isn't defense. This is offense. For the express purpose of achieving the goals they have enthusiastically repeated for decades. If you don't think that is evil, that is your business as well.

cyberscientist 5y ago
So Iran SAYS "Israel should be wiped out of the map", and that makes all ACTIONS (including boarder line terrorism) by Israel justified. Our way of buying into narratives and pushing them allows justifications for wars so easy. Just look at Iraq war. Narrative build and bought by us was that Sadam is bad and has bar weapons so let's go to war. Again I'm not defending Iran. In fact I really hate the regime. I'm just saying what's wrong is wrong no matter who does it.
- hpcjoe 5y ago
  As I noted, it's not what each say. It's what they do. If you find yourself arguing against the entity that is the victim of the aggressor entity, I think you have some deep internal reflecting to do. Because such a position, is advocating against defending against actual attacks. Which the aggressor entity has done, in the open, through proxies, as well as in secret. Israel is not the aggressor entity. If this is what you support, or cannot bring yourself to accept, and insist that this is "narrative" ... Again, best thing to do is lots of internal reflection.
  - cyberscientist 5y ago
    I bet you're no where to be found when all this "Israel is the victim, Iran is the aggressor" narrative turns out to be bs. Just like all those Iraq war supports have disappeared. Even fox news back peddles now. None of them like to even admit they supported the war. Israel engages in as much despicable behaviour as Iran does. Only you paint Israel's actions as justified because it's Israel. Once again Iranian regime is god awful, this is not a defence of them. My point is, stop buying into narratives that governments build. It's called propaganda.
- dang 5y ago
  Flamewar is not what this site is for. We've banned this account. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html