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“Sideloading Apps Would ‘Break’ the Security and Privacy of iPhone”, said Tim Cook. But instead of gaslighting us, Apple could let us sideload notarized apps.

“Sideloading Apps Would ‘Break’ the Security and Privacy of iPhone”, said Tim Cook. But instead of gaslighting us, Apple could let us sideload notarized apps. This means: - Automated scan for malware - Remote kill switch, just in case They already do this for macOS [1]: > “Notarization is not App Review. The Apple notary service is an automated system that scans your software for malicious content, checks for code-signing issues, and returns the results to you quickly.” They could give users a choice, much like they're doing with the new App Tracking Transparency prompt. But when pressed on why Apple should have control, Cook said "Somebody has to." That's… not a very convincing argument. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_macos_software_before_distribution https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_m...

Apocryphon 5y ago
Yeah, the whole "there is no alternative to the App Store" argument completely falls apart in the face of the existence of the Mac, and how the Mac isn't constrained by the Mac App Store.
- zepto 5y ago
  Obviously not, because the Mac has only ever had minor sales relative to the PC even, and minuscule compared to iOS. It’s never been a serious target.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    Your Apple bashing is really quite tiresome. Macs are serious machines and have grown in leaps and bounds over the past two decades. Are you seriously saying the de facto development platform for Silicon Valley startups, as well as the home for Apple Silicon, is no longer a “serious target”? No need to shill for Windows here.
    - zepto 5y ago
      It’s not a serious target for App Store scams, or scam software in general, because the user base is tiny compared to iOS. I think you know this.
      - Apocryphon 5y ago
        Actually, the Mac App Store has received its share of scams. https://www.howtogeek.com/281849/dont-be-fooled-the-mac-app-store-is-full-of-scams/ https://www.howtogeek.com/281849/dont-be-fooled-the-mac-app-... https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/mac-app-store-scam-apps https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/mac-app-store-scam-apps
        zepto 5y ago
        And ransomware and botnets too: https://www.avg.com/en/signal/mac-ransomware-remove-protect https://www.avg.com/en/signal/mac-ransomware-remove-protect Fortunately iOS users don’t have those problems because of the security model that you are so quick to dismiss.
        Apocryphon 5y ago
        https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-emerging-threats-ios-malware-xcodeghost-infects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-emerging-threats-ios-... https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fraud/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fr...
        zepto 5y ago
        As anyone who clicks on those links can see, those are neither Ransomware nor Botnets, so it’s not obvious what point you are trying to make. Hard to see how you think such links support your argument for dismissing the security model. Also of note - the central App Store was used to fix these problems.
        Apocryphon 5y ago

Apocryphon 5y ago

Yeah, the whole "there is no alternative to the App Store" argument completely falls apart in the face of the existence of the Mac, and how the Mac isn't constrained by the Mac App Store.

zepto 5y ago
Obviously not, because the Mac has only ever had minor sales relative to the PC even, and minuscule compared to iOS. It’s never been a serious target.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Your Apple bashing is really quite tiresome. Macs are serious machines and have grown in leaps and bounds over the past two decades. Are you seriously saying the de facto development platform for Silicon Valley startups, as well as the home for Apple Silicon, is no longer a “serious target”? No need to shill for Windows here.
  - zepto 5y ago
    It’s not a serious target for App Store scams, or scam software in general, because the user base is tiny compared to iOS. I think you know this.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      Actually, the Mac App Store has received its share of scams. https://www.howtogeek.com/281849/dont-be-fooled-the-mac-app-store-is-full-of-scams/ https://www.howtogeek.com/281849/dont-be-fooled-the-mac-app-... https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/mac-app-store-scam-apps https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/mac-app-store-scam-apps
      - zepto 5y ago
        And ransomware and botnets too: https://www.avg.com/en/signal/mac-ransomware-remove-protect https://www.avg.com/en/signal/mac-ransomware-remove-protect Fortunately iOS users don’t have those problems because of the security model that you are so quick to dismiss.
        Apocryphon 5y ago
        https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-emerging-threats-ios-malware-xcodeghost-infects-millions-of-apple-store-customers.html https://us.norton.com/internetsecurity-emerging-threats-ios-... https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fraud/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fr...
        zepto 5y ago
        As anyone who clicks on those links can see, those are neither Ransomware nor Botnets, so it’s not obvious what point you are trying to make. Hard to see how you think such links support your argument for dismissing the security model. Also of note - the central App Store was used to fix these problems.
        Apocryphon 5y ago