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This is extremely short sighted. The complete opposite is more likely to be true. Privacy is almost dead and soon it will be almost impossible to hide your rea
by justbored123 6y ago
This is extremely short sighted. The complete opposite is more likely to be true. Privacy is almost dead and soon it will be almost impossible to hide your real identity on the internet and thus avoid consequences for your actions. That will allow companies to black list you across the internet, so if you are an a-hole in lets say Facebook by harassing people, doxing them, do child grooming, scams/fake advertisement, etc. and Facebook bans you because you are bad for advertisement, they are going to be able to put you on a black list and ban you in all other sites even if you use a different IP, browser, account, etc. There are endless ways to tell you are the same person and it's getting worst, for starters you phone, SSO, browser/extensions fingerprinting etc.
It's going to be a lot like your credit score, your criminal record, etc.
At the end of the day companies want advertisement money and if you scare the adds away the same networks that control those adds are going to end up keeping track of you to keep you away.
Once that anonymity is completely gone, the internet will be just like real life. If you are a problematic assh*le, you'll get a record saying just that that employers, land lords, schools, etc. are going to check, just like they do now with credit scores, criminal records and school records and if you don't behave, you are going to be a marginal banned from polite society like it happens in real life outside the internet.
- proc0 6y ago> That will allow companies to black list you across the internet Thus giving full control of people to private entities that are increasingly not held accountable by anything or anyone. Why would we want a private entity, not elected by the people, to decide our morality? Enforcing morality is dangerous and arguably immoral since it uses force to align people's thinking, which treats everyone like children that are learning instead of adults with freewill.
- asciident 6y agoLike the credit bureaus? Seems like they've been doing this for decades already.
- proc0 6y agoYeah pretty much I think. We're definitely there as far as financial institutions, I just hope we're not on our way there with the communication and social institutions (increasingly dominated by the Internet).
- jasonfarnon 6y agoHow do credit bureaus "enforce morality"? I think the point is that the effect of a bad credit rating is much more limited than a universal blackout on the internet. In fact strictly more limited, to the extent that many creditors rely on social media in making their decisions.
- asciident 6y agoI strongly disagree. Bad credit (sometimes even wrongly attributed) can block you from jobs, mobile plans, bank accounts, credit/debit cards, renting, etc. I'd rather be blocked from Facebook than be told I can't rent an apartment or be disqualified from a job.
- mkay581 6y agoThis is a symptom of society thinking that social media is a necessity and somehow equivalent to the real world. It's not.
- nl 6y agoThis seems like it was a defensible statement in 2001 or maybe even 2011, but in 2021 I think it's hard to defend. Is it necessary? Well - for many people literally the only way they communicate with their friends is in group chats on social media platforms. Losing that leads to social isolation. Is it equivalent to the real world? Of course it isn't equivalent - as in "the same as" the real world. For many people it is much much more important since most of their life is lived via online mechanisms.
- throwaway2037 6y agoEach time I am offered a job, I go through extensive background checks, including my credit history. You wrote: "Bad credit (sometimes even wrongly attributed) can block you from jobs..." Is this really true? I have see this phrasing a few times on the Internet, but I have never once read a blog post about someone specifically being denied a job due to poor credit history. My point: They can "check" all they like. In many places, various personal background issues are protected by labour laws. Also, your post makes it sounds like being denied a rental apartment contract is unreasonable for someone with poor credit history. Would you rent to that person? Again: Some jurisdictions do not allow credit checks or do not allow /discrimination/ due to credit checks when renting.
- gumby 6y agoI assumed that the GP poster wasn't endorsing this...but perhaps they were?
- proc0 6y agoI meant it as an observation, I'm not sure if OP was condoning it or not. Either way, that would be the reality of it, with such entities wielding so much control.
- sigstoat 6y ago> Why would we want a private entity, not elected by the people, to decide our morality? i got the impression from the separation of church and state that we don't generally want elected officials deciding what is or is not moral. merely what is legal.
- _carbyau_ 6y agoThe separation of church and state is precisely because we DO want state laws to enforce morals. We also want that enforcement to apply no matter what religion you have. At least, I do.
- proc0 6y agoRight, ideally it would work that way, however shifting that over to non-elected and private entities with zero accountability is even worse. At least if government is babysitting it's partially people's fault for voting that way, but I agree even elected officials should know not to force morality on the people.
- justbored123 6y agoThat is called society. Have you ever worked in a private company? Went to a private business, like a restaurant or a shopping mall? What happens if you start insulting people and been rude and un-polite like people are in social media? You get fired or you are asked to leave. This is the reason why when you go to a new job they ask for references and call your old employers to inquire about you. The internet is going to be the same. You are going to have a reputation to protect or you are going to pay a price.
- HWR_14 6y ago> Went to a private business, like a restaurant or a shopping mall? What happens if you start insulting people and been rude and un-polite like people are in social media? People say "it's not worth potentially getting shot or otherwise attacked to try to get that asshole to put on a mask"
- ALittleLight 6y agoI wonder if, as a result, we will have as many thoughtful and interesting conversations with strangers on the internet as we do in real life.
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- teddyh 6y agoThat is a nightmarish vision for a lot of non-“assh*le” people: https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Real_Names%22_policy%3F https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Who_is_harmed_by_a_%22Re...
- Viliam1234 6y agoToday an algorithm can mistakenly throw my legitimate e-mails into Spam folder. Tomorrow, it will be able to throw me into Spam folder.
- _carbyau_ 6y agoThis is pretty much the tech capitalist way of arriving at China's Social Credit system. And a nightmare. Can you imagine the social cooling if this was in place?