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> Wow. I guess that we touched a sore point there. > Why are you so angry? > So, why don’t you do what we did? Admit it, Own it, Fix it. > So, as your compet

by awb 6y ago

> Wow. I guess that we touched a sore point there. > Why are you so angry? > So, why don’t you do what we did? Admit it, Own it, Fix it. > So, as your competitor, I thought it would be fair that Wix talks about WordPress issues, just as WordPress talks about Wix issues. > Yet, you seem to be so angry about it. > But I’m pretty sure you already know all of that. What I’m not so sure is, why are you twisting the truth? > I am really tempted to say here, if you guys stop writing bad things about us, we won’t publish the bad truth about you, but that sounds kind of childish, don’t you agree? > Finally, during the last few years, I reached out a couple of times to try to meet with you but you declined, so I guess it’s our fate to continue the fun that is chatting over the internet, instead of over a cup of coffee. Not a good look. The merits of the argument are sandwiched between projections and immaturity. Just stick to why you're better and focus on your own business. You can't control what others do.

not_knuth 6y ago
I'm still in awe that this is real. It's almost like they intentionally chose the worst style, tone and words to write a rebuttal...
- kreeben 6y ago
  I disagree. I didn't know about Wix until just now. After having read this I'm extremely positive towards their CEO, their service and, simply put, I like their style. While Wordpress is acting like a child, Vix comes off as the adult in the room.
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  - Quarrelsome 6y ago
    wat? Is this sarc? The guy just posted: > "y u so mad?" at some nonsense that his marketing team instigated.
  - kodah 6y ago
    I generally don't expect adults to speak like the first 10 or so lines of that post unless they're trolling, antagonizing, or both. None of which I find as favorable traits from a CEO. I'm now more curious how he treats hostile investor relationships or disagreements in the workplace.
  - heleninboodler 6y ago
    I couldn't disagree more. Vix's behavior here is so bad that it's actually hard to believe anyone would genuinely hold the belief that they're "the adult in the room." I'm embarrassed for them.
    - kreeben 6y ago
      He shows a little bit of humanity by engaging in a childish brawl with the notion of "friendly competitiveness" and comes off as "the good dad", to me.
      - heleninboodler 6y ago
        I read the "friendly competitiveness" line and rolled my eyes, because it is just so transparently disingenuous. There's nothing friendly about the things Wix is saying in this exchange, but framing it that way is an attempt to appear as though they're taking this in a friendly spirit when they clearly are not. It's just very, very juvenile behavior.
      - monkey_monkey 6y ago
        If acting like an angry 12 year old troll is "the good dad"...
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- cosmotic 6y ago
  I think Matt hit a sore point.
that_guy_iain 6y ago
> So, why don’t you do what we did? Admit it, Own it, Fix it. Honestly, at that point I stopped reading. I am not a fan of the WordPress dev scene, I spent about a year heavily involed within that scene and I noticed time and time again bugs getting patches and those patches not getting applied and then new patches getting created and not getting applied. Then I seen the whole "I've been here for X so I am more important" or "We don't like you so you're never getting commit rights even tho you do really valuable work on WordPress". But one thing they do do is admit there is an issue and fix them. WordPress' core security seems to be really good, I can't remember the last time they had a flaw. 3rd party plugins can't be helped, really. There are quite a few plugins specifically to help secure Wordpress sites. So it seems WordPress as a project have dealt with their security issues and the community help deal with the stuff that is outside the scope of the WordPress project. Then you have the memory issues and what not. WordPress scales really well the last time I checked. So I am not really sure what they expect WordPress to do. I seen the Wix ad on twitter and I literally thought "Yep target people who don't know any better"
detritus 6y ago
Terrible. Barely adolescent. I've never much liked Wix for all of the obvious reasons, but I now have an absolute anchor in my head to discourage anyone I talk to who might ask me if Wix is a worthwhile option.
cblconfederate 6y ago
It's amusing though
- heleninboodler 6y ago
  If it was just the commercials, I'd agree. They're actually very well done, as slightly-below-the-belt mockery goes. I even agree with them with respect to Wordpress' weaknesses. Vix's attempts to lower it to the level of an internet message board shitfight are embarrassing, though.
hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
The tone of this feels like in was stolen from the bad guy in an 80s coming-of-age movie starring Molly Ringwald.
- titzer 6y ago
  Holy F, I just watched Pretty in Pink on Saturday. Yep.
awb 6y ago
Crazy enough the CEO posted a similar open letter back in 2016: https://www.wix.com/blog/2016/10/dear-matt-mullenweg-an-open-letter-from-wix-coms-ceo-avishai-abrahami/ https://www.wix.com/blog/2016/10/dear-matt-mullenweg-an-open... It's written in the same obnoxious tone as this latest post. Discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12826088 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12826088

by awb 6y ago

not_knuth 6y ago

I'm still in awe that this is real. It's almost like they intentionally chose the worst style, tone and words to write a rebuttal...

kreeben 6y ago
I disagree. I didn't know about Wix until just now. After having read this I'm extremely positive towards their CEO, their service and, simply put, I like their style. While Wordpress is acting like a child, Vix comes off as the adult in the room.
- deleted 6y ago
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- Quarrelsome 6y ago
  wat? Is this sarc? The guy just posted: > "y u so mad?" at some nonsense that his marketing team instigated.
- kodah 6y ago
  I generally don't expect adults to speak like the first 10 or so lines of that post unless they're trolling, antagonizing, or both. None of which I find as favorable traits from a CEO. I'm now more curious how he treats hostile investor relationships or disagreements in the workplace.
- heleninboodler 6y ago
  I couldn't disagree more. Vix's behavior here is so bad that it's actually hard to believe anyone would genuinely hold the belief that they're "the adult in the room." I'm embarrassed for them.
  - kreeben 6y ago
    He shows a little bit of humanity by engaging in a childish brawl with the notion of "friendly competitiveness" and comes off as "the good dad", to me.
    - heleninboodler 6y ago
      I read the "friendly competitiveness" line and rolled my eyes, because it is just so transparently disingenuous. There's nothing friendly about the things Wix is saying in this exchange, but framing it that way is an attempt to appear as though they're taking this in a friendly spirit when they clearly are not. It's just very, very juvenile behavior.
    - monkey_monkey 6y ago
      If acting like an angry 12 year old troll is "the good dad"...
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cosmotic 6y ago
I think Matt hit a sore point.

that_guy_iain 6y ago

> So, why don’t you do what we did? Admit it, Own it, Fix it. Honestly, at that point I stopped reading. I am not a fan of the WordPress dev scene, I spent about a year heavily involed within that scene and I noticed time and time again bugs getting patches and those patches not getting applied and then new patches getting created and not getting applied. Then I seen the whole "I've been here for X so I am more important" or "We don't like you so you're never getting commit rights even tho you do really valuable work on WordPress". But one thing they do do is admit there is an issue and fix them. WordPress' core security seems to be really good, I can't remember the last time they had a flaw. 3rd party plugins can't be helped, really. There are quite a few plugins specifically to help secure Wordpress sites. So it seems WordPress as a project have dealt with their security issues and the community help deal with the stuff that is outside the scope of the WordPress project. Then you have the memory issues and what not. WordPress scales really well the last time I checked. So I am not really sure what they expect WordPress to do. I seen the Wix ad on twitter and I literally thought "Yep target people who don't know any better"

detritus 6y ago

Terrible. Barely adolescent. I've never much liked Wix for all of the obvious reasons, but I now have an absolute anchor in my head to discourage anyone I talk to who might ask me if Wix is a worthwhile option.

cblconfederate 6y ago

It's amusing though

heleninboodler 6y ago
If it was just the commercials, I'd agree. They're actually very well done, as slightly-below-the-belt mockery goes. I even agree with them with respect to Wordpress' weaknesses. Vix's attempts to lower it to the level of an internet message board shitfight are embarrassing, though.

hn_throwaway_99 6y ago

The tone of this feels like in was stolen from the bad guy in an 80s coming-of-age movie starring Molly Ringwald.

titzer 6y ago
Holy F, I just watched Pretty in Pink on Saturday. Yep.

awb 6y ago

Crazy enough the CEO posted a similar open letter back in 2016: https://www.wix.com/blog/2016/10/dear-matt-mullenweg-an-open-letter-from-wix-coms-ceo-avishai-abrahami/ https://www.wix.com/blog/2016/10/dear-matt-mullenweg-an-open... It's written in the same obnoxious tone as this latest post. Discussed on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12826088 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12826088