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> Then Google claims she quit which should be provable and she claims she was fired which also should be provable. Yet I've seen no proof of either. She said s

> Then Google claims she quit which should be provable and she claims she was fired which also should be provable. Yet I've seen no proof of either. She said she sent a list of conditions or else she would leave on a given date. Google accepted her resignation. https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1334343577044979712 https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/13343435770449... This is the same story that Google gave: > Timnit responded with an email requiring that a number of conditions be met in order for her to continue working at Google, including revealing the identities of every person who Megan and I had spoken to and consulted as part of the review of the paper and the exact feedback. Timnit wrote that if we didn’t meet these demands, she would leave Google and work on an end date. We accept and respect her decision to resign from Google https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f2kYWDXwhzYnq8ebVtuk9CqQqz7ScqxhSIxeYGrWjK0/edit?usp=drivesdk https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f2kYWDXwhzYnq8ebVtuk9CqQ...

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citizenpaul 5y ago
So she quit then and this is a non issue. It rarely goes in favor of anyone when they give an ultimatum to the company that employed them or they will quit. The very act of doing so has basically proven is incapable of working with the company or doing the job she was hired to do. I'm no fan of Google so whatever knocks them down is fine with me.
monocasa 5y ago
> she would leave on a given date. She doesn't say that she had given a date. Who sets the last day is sort of the definition of what makes an end of employment a firing or a quitting.
AlexandrB 5y ago
The end date was chosen by Google, not by Timnit. That's a firing not a resignation. If I send HR a letter saying I resign effective 2 weeks from now and they reply "no, we want you out immediately", I was fired.
- citizenpaul 5y ago
  I'm not sure what you are not clear on here. If someone says I quit/resign then they quit period, they were not fired. The two weeks period is just to prevent unemployment fraud.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    A threat to quit isn't actually quitting any more than a threat to fire someone is actually firing them.
  - true_religion 5y ago
    So if you say I will find another job if the company doesn’t take action like... pay me more, agree to union terms, stop my manager from harassing me, or stop what I think is an unethical abuse of the public... then I am defacto quitting? In that case how can an employee have a negotiation with a company at all? The power to refuse working is literally the only power the employee has at the negotiation.
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  Isn't it standard for quitting senior employees to be paid to sit at home on their notice period? It seems like a bad idea for someone leaving to retain their systems access for 2 weeks... That's Google right really, so unless her last pay cheque was short 2 weeks money, she quit and "worked" her notice from home.
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Apparently it went down like Gebru: I have concerns that I'd like addressed that are important enough to me that I would quit over them, we can talk about it in more depth when I get back from my previously scheduled vacation. Google: Don't bother coming back, you're no longer an employee. Just like a threat to fire someone isn't actually firing someone, a threat to quit isn't actually quitting.
    - LatteLazy 5y ago

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citizenpaul 5y ago

So she quit then and this is a non issue. It rarely goes in favor of anyone when they give an ultimatum to the company that employed them or they will quit. The very act of doing so has basically proven is incapable of working with the company or doing the job she was hired to do. I'm no fan of Google so whatever knocks them down is fine with me.

monocasa 5y ago

> she would leave on a given date. She doesn't say that she had given a date. Who sets the last day is sort of the definition of what makes an end of employment a firing or a quitting.

AlexandrB 5y ago

The end date was chosen by Google, not by Timnit. That's a firing not a resignation. If I send HR a letter saying I resign effective 2 weeks from now and they reply "no, we want you out immediately", I was fired.

citizenpaul 5y ago
I'm not sure what you are not clear on here. If someone says I quit/resign then they quit period, they were not fired. The two weeks period is just to prevent unemployment fraud.
- monocasa 5y ago
  A threat to quit isn't actually quitting any more than a threat to fire someone is actually firing them.
- true_religion 5y ago
  So if you say I will find another job if the company doesn’t take action like... pay me more, agree to union terms, stop my manager from harassing me, or stop what I think is an unethical abuse of the public... then I am defacto quitting? In that case how can an employee have a negotiation with a company at all? The power to refuse working is literally the only power the employee has at the negotiation.
LatteLazy 5y ago
Isn't it standard for quitting senior employees to be paid to sit at home on their notice period? It seems like a bad idea for someone leaving to retain their systems access for 2 weeks... That's Google right really, so unless her last pay cheque was short 2 weeks money, she quit and "worked" her notice from home.
- monocasa 5y ago
  Apparently it went down like Gebru: I have concerns that I'd like addressed that are important enough to me that I would quit over them, we can talk about it in more depth when I get back from my previously scheduled vacation. Google: Don't bother coming back, you're no longer an employee. Just like a threat to fire someone isn't actually firing someone, a threat to quit isn't actually quitting.
  - LatteLazy 5y ago