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> we didn’t go far enough with equality Given we have staggeringly high inherited inequality... No, aiming at equality demonstrably isn't going to deliver it.

> we didn’t go far enough with equality Given we have staggeringly high inherited inequality... No, aiming at equality demonstrably isn't going to deliver it. But neither these ideas (or criticisms) are new. Unskilled white folks have been moaning about "diversity hires" since the 80s in the UK. What might be changing is looking at things in terms of hereditary opportunity. But it's not easy to ask people to live with less, so others can live with some.

type0 6y ago
> What might be changing is looking at things in terms of hereditary opportunity. please stop spreading eugenics ideologies on HN!
- spacemanmatt 6y ago
  You're saying hereditary opportunity is eugenics? Hard pass. There is significant evidence that wealthy families stay wealthy generation over generation in most parts of the world.
  - type0 6y ago
    It is exactly the terms by which the jews were prosecuted in Nazi Germany, the view was they had too much hereditary opportunities: too much wealth, too much influence and you know the outcome.
    - schwartzworld 6y ago
      That's really disingenuous.
    - spacemanmatt 6y ago
      They were persecuted, not prosecuted. And this is HN, not 4chan. Do better.
      - type0 6y ago
        Thanks for correction. I will rather learn more English here than this other site you are suggesting.
        spacemanmatt 6y ago
        Oh, you thought the 4chan reference was about your grammar. Further amazed.
- oliwarner 6y ago
  I said nothing about genealogy. I really don't care for your comparison. You inherit more than genes from your parents. You get a home, a country, an upbringing, varying amounts of security and nutrition and education... And many for many people in here, money. This all translates into deep inequalities from birth that we do too little too recognise, let alone rectify.
NicoJuicy 6y ago
That's already done: taxes
- oliwarner 6y ago
  Done? You fixed inequality? Awesome! We do collect tax. Not nearly enough. The mega-rich have avoidance options akin to multinational corporations, and we celebrate this status with rich lists and awards? It's not enough. If we can't pay a public school teacher a competitive wage, they won't be competitive posts, they won't be competed for; we all lose out. Rinse and repeat for every public service helping children and their communities. And we set this bar, we choose to only afford the cheapest possible options for society's base level. We choose that because we can throw cash at private schools, tutors, summer schools. I'm not a communist, but I think our tax and social welfare systems need serious help or it's all going to fall apart.
  - NicoJuicy 6y ago
    I never mentioned the rate of taxes. I mentioned that the method of doing it already exists. Since I responded to: > But it's not easy to ask people to live with less, so others can live with some. US taxes are too low. I agree, but I don't live in the US. Taxes in Belgium are much higher. Both countries have taxes and i wouldn't want communism either.

type0 6y ago

> What might be changing is looking at things in terms of hereditary opportunity. please stop spreading eugenics ideologies on HN!

spacemanmatt 6y ago
You're saying hereditary opportunity is eugenics? Hard pass. There is significant evidence that wealthy families stay wealthy generation over generation in most parts of the world.
- type0 6y ago
  It is exactly the terms by which the jews were prosecuted in Nazi Germany, the view was they had too much hereditary opportunities: too much wealth, too much influence and you know the outcome.
  - schwartzworld 6y ago
    That's really disingenuous.
  - spacemanmatt 6y ago
    They were persecuted, not prosecuted. And this is HN, not 4chan. Do better.
    - type0 6y ago
      Thanks for correction. I will rather learn more English here than this other site you are suggesting.
      - spacemanmatt 6y ago
        Oh, you thought the 4chan reference was about your grammar. Further amazed.
oliwarner 6y ago
I said nothing about genealogy. I really don't care for your comparison. You inherit more than genes from your parents. You get a home, a country, an upbringing, varying amounts of security and nutrition and education... And many for many people in here, money. This all translates into deep inequalities from birth that we do too little too recognise, let alone rectify.

NicoJuicy 6y ago

That's already done: taxes

oliwarner 6y ago
Done? You fixed inequality? Awesome! We do collect tax. Not nearly enough. The mega-rich have avoidance options akin to multinational corporations, and we celebrate this status with rich lists and awards? It's not enough. If we can't pay a public school teacher a competitive wage, they won't be competitive posts, they won't be competed for; we all lose out. Rinse and repeat for every public service helping children and their communities. And we set this bar, we choose to only afford the cheapest possible options for society's base level. We choose that because we can throw cash at private schools, tutors, summer schools. I'm not a communist, but I think our tax and social welfare systems need serious help or it's all going to fall apart.
- NicoJuicy 6y ago
  I never mentioned the rate of taxes. I mentioned that the method of doing it already exists. Since I responded to: > But it's not easy to ask people to live with less, so others can live with some. US taxes are too low. I agree, but I don't live in the US. Taxes in Belgium are much higher. Both countries have taxes and i wouldn't want communism either.