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Why should you not attend medium-size gatherings after being vaccinated? It's okay to be in a group of 100 people in a plane, but not in that same group of peop
by lacker 6y ago
Why should you not attend medium-size gatherings after being vaccinated? It's okay to be in a group of 100 people in a plane, but not in that same group of people in a field outside? It doesn't make any sense to me. There are more people dying from shark attacks than from covid spread through medium-size gatherings of vaccinated people.
I feel like the CDC has this mistaken idea of how to get trust, that they will become trusted by always erring on the side of "more lockdown". But always making the same mistake isn't the way to get people to trust you, it's the way to get people to realize, oh this group doesn't really tell you the truth. They are like the boy crying wolf, giving you many false warnings and making it impossible to tell the real warnings.
- dylan604 6y ago>There are more people dying from shark attacks than from covid spread through medium-size gatherings of vaccinated people. You have valid points that get thrown out the window with this kind of BS comment. There are times with sarcasm/hyperbole are fine, but I don't think this is one and only leads to the noise surrounding the signal
- toomim 6y agoHow about this then: There are 4x the number of people dying from fentanyl than covid in SF.
- dylan604 6y agoWhile that might be true (you should still provide links to stats if you're making claims), people on fentanyl are not walking around and spreading it to others. Those are more self-inflicted than catching from someone else while buying groceries.
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- toomim 6y agoStats: https://www.google.com/searchq=covid+fentanyl+sf https://www.google.com/searchq=covid+fentanyl+sf
- google234123 6y agoFentanyl drug dealers are walking around and spreading it to others and are definitely not being dealt with the same urgency as COVID - given it's SF, the police probably don't even bother.
- dylan604 6y agoagain, you catch COVID without knowing it and not actually trying to. the vast majority of fentanyl users are chosing to do so. some are thinking they are taking one thing, but unscrupulous dealers are cutting the one thing with fentanyl or worse. however, it's not like drug dealers are walking around with an aerosolized version of fentanyl, and infecting random unsuspecting people.
- vokep 6y agoSpot on. This is why at the beginning, I was the weirdo yelling at everyone "put a damn mask on, the CDC only is saying what they're saying about avoiding masks because of baseless claims of lack of masks for hospitals if you buy them" and now I'm strongly anti-mask (the social cost has gone far beyond the cost of covid itself)
- stopping 6y agoWhat is the social cost of wearing masks? Genuinely curious.
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- bradleyjg 6y agoMy 70 year old mother doesn’t want to leave the house despite being fully vaccinated because it’s hard for her to breathe in a mask. How much of the rest of her life does she need to be a shut in?
- sundaeofshock 6y agoShe should see a doctor about underlying medical conditions if she finds it difficult to breathe through a cloth mask.
- bradleyjg 6y agoWhy do you assume she hasn’t? Not everything is fixable, especially as you get older.
- stevewodil 6y agoIt would be assumed that she hadn't seen a doctor about it because she wouldn't have to wear a mask if she has a legitimate medical condition
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- toomim 6y agoAnd don't forget that in February of last year they were telling people to stop wearing masks.
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- convexfunction 6y agoI don't really have any evidence for this, but one possible thought process behind discouraging larger gatherings among vaccinated people is that (some) unvaccinated people would be likely to join in on those gatherings if they become renormalized too early. It's inevitable that large gatherings will be renormalized soon enough and that a lot of people who decline to get vaccinated will join them, but I can imagine many people would see telling a noble lie (of omission) to defer that inevitability for as long as possible as the right call.
- bradleyjg 6y ago> but I can imagine many people would see telling a noble lie (of omission) to defer that inevitability for as long as possible as the right call. Whatever the benefits of that “noble” lie are have to be weighed against entire generations of people learning that there government has no qualms about lying to them.
- jmull 6y agoIf you really want to know: The spread of covid is actually controlled by managing overall risk. If the collective risk of a group is low enough the spread slows down to a low level or if it's high enough the spread speeds up to a high level. Overall, higher risk activities can be balanced by lower risk activities and still control the spread, so some higher-risk things can be allowed if they are uncommon enough and valuable enough. So, e.g, suppose someone figured out that allowing plane travel and medium-size gatherings were about the same risk but we could only tolerate one or the other but not both and still control the spread of covid. Then it would come down to which was more important/valuable. Of course, this is complicated, and involves assessing and balancing the relative risk and importance of many more things than those two, and needs to be boiled down to something that can be effectively communicated to a mass audience. > I feel like the CDC has this mistaken idea of how to get trust, that they will become trusted by always erring on the side of "more lockdown"... like the boy crying wolf... No, in fact, the contradiction you see in the different recommendations about medium-sized gatherings and plane travel shows that the CDC is balancing their recommendations, some more restrictive and some more permissive. I can see where you're coming from: you want there to be simple and clear recommendations based on simple and clear criteria. But the problem -- balancing risk across a society -- is inherently nuanced and complicated. The more simple and clear you make the solution, the poorer fit the solution has to the actual problem.
- bradleyjg 6y agoWhere’s the cost benefit analysis?
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