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I guess people who want to avoid paying will start packing more frames into a file now? I wonder if there's a limit to how many things you can put into one file

I guess people who want to avoid paying will start packing more frames into a file now? I wonder if there's a limit to how many things you can put into one file... (EDIT: Someone mentioned it below - you're limited to 3 "pages" per file now. I guess that means 3 frames.) Also, I am using the starter and created a Team to work on stuff with my friend. Will the limitations affect our team project which already has more than 3 files? Oh, I see it in the article now: > These changes don't apply to files created before April 21, 2021, only files you create after this date. Looks like we're going to have to start paying :)

shivenigma 6y ago
Existing files will stay unaffected as far as I understood.
martin-adams 6y ago
Can you create lots of files now as placeholders and use them after the changeover date?
- fencepost 6y ago
  [can we work around these new charges] This starts shifting from a "free vs paid tools" question to a "how I do business" question. If the pricing for something critical is so high it's not practical, it's time to do some hard evaluations. Edit: from practical experience, I've worked regularly with someone who will spend a lot of energy to avoid paying for things. That can result in hoop jumping just to accomplish things that should be quick and simple. Edit2: also be wary of trying to get paid by people who aggressively work to not pay for things.
  - happymellon 6y ago
    It's also the volume of tools that keep moving to subscription models. There are only so many tools I can rent. Especially for apps that I download, Jetbrains have the best model for this as I keep the version that I paid for, but they keep releasing updates that are actually worthwhile to upgrade. Then I have other things like GitKraken which should be a one time purchase for $15. I know it's not sexy pricing, but the subscription price is just too damn high when I have ever other tool trying to bill me every year with fundamentally no change.
    - fencepost 6y ago
      It's a tradeoff and depends on part on whether it's a business tool or a physical one (for you). If business, perhaps it's time to raise rates; if personal then you're probably not their target market. It also depends on the value of your time and how much of that you spend working around subscription models.
      - happymellon 6y ago
        Its more than that. Convincing my boss to buy a tool is one thing, even buying on an annual basis, but convincing them to subscribe to another service is completely different. As I said, I have personally purchased the JetBrains All Product pack, and have worked places where they will buy it for developers. Charging rent for a tool like GitKraken is just crappy, but I guess thats the only way to make ongoing money for a tool that you struggle to add value to encourage upgrade purchases.
didgeoridoo 6y ago
3 frames would be a pretty stark limitation. When Figma says “pages” I assume they are referring to their “page” object, which allows you to have multiple separate workspaces per document. Limiting documents without limiting pages would be too easy to work around, so it’s clear why they had to do it. I believe you can still have unlimited frames.
throw14082020 6y ago
Frames != pages. You can navigate pages on the left side menu. 3 frames cap would be insane, making Figma's free version completely unusable.
httpsterio 6y ago
Pages are separate from frames or "art boards". You can basically have all of your design in one page if you'd want to.

shivenigma 6y ago

Existing files will stay unaffected as far as I understood.

martin-adams 6y ago

Can you create lots of files now as placeholders and use them after the changeover date?

fencepost 6y ago
[can we work around these new charges] This starts shifting from a "free vs paid tools" question to a "how I do business" question. If the pricing for something critical is so high it's not practical, it's time to do some hard evaluations. Edit: from practical experience, I've worked regularly with someone who will spend a lot of energy to avoid paying for things. That can result in hoop jumping just to accomplish things that should be quick and simple. Edit2: also be wary of trying to get paid by people who aggressively work to not pay for things.
- happymellon 6y ago
  It's also the volume of tools that keep moving to subscription models. There are only so many tools I can rent. Especially for apps that I download, Jetbrains have the best model for this as I keep the version that I paid for, but they keep releasing updates that are actually worthwhile to upgrade. Then I have other things like GitKraken which should be a one time purchase for $15. I know it's not sexy pricing, but the subscription price is just too damn high when I have ever other tool trying to bill me every year with fundamentally no change.
  - fencepost 6y ago
    It's a tradeoff and depends on part on whether it's a business tool or a physical one (for you). If business, perhaps it's time to raise rates; if personal then you're probably not their target market. It also depends on the value of your time and how much of that you spend working around subscription models.
    - happymellon 6y ago
      Its more than that. Convincing my boss to buy a tool is one thing, even buying on an annual basis, but convincing them to subscribe to another service is completely different. As I said, I have personally purchased the JetBrains All Product pack, and have worked places where they will buy it for developers. Charging rent for a tool like GitKraken is just crappy, but I guess thats the only way to make ongoing money for a tool that you struggle to add value to encourage upgrade purchases.

didgeoridoo 6y ago

3 frames would be a pretty stark limitation. When Figma says “pages” I assume they are referring to their “page” object, which allows you to have multiple separate workspaces per document. Limiting documents without limiting pages would be too easy to work around, so it’s clear why they had to do it. I believe you can still have unlimited frames.

throw14082020 6y ago

Frames != pages. You can navigate pages on the left side menu. 3 frames cap would be insane, making Figma's free version completely unusable.

httpsterio 6y ago

Pages are separate from frames or "art boards". You can basically have all of your design in one page if you'd want to.