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Keep in mind that if you're travelling internationally you'll still have to abide by local rules on what vaccinated people can and cannot do. In Canada, for ins

Keep in mind that if you're travelling internationally you'll still have to abide by local rules on what vaccinated people can and cannot do. In Canada, for instance, you have to take PCR tests before and after your flight, self quarantine for 14 days with an additional PCR test on day 10. The first three days of your quarantine will be spent in a government-approved hotel booked for CDN 2000 (~1600 USD). They don't care about whether you've already recovered from covid (it might exempt you from the hotel stay, but not the self-quarantine), or whether you've tested negative, or whether you're fully vaccinated.

tinyhouse 6y ago
Madness. The main people who get screwed by this are Canadian citizens/residents. Everyone else would do fine without visiting Canada. (I know such rules are precisely for preventing people from visiting Canada, and I'm sure it's working...). I hope countries will change such policies for vaccinated people soon.
- grecy 6y ago
  Canada is currently struggling badly with a massive third wave. Cases are higher now than they've ever been, so these requirements are the opposite of madness. Also note the only people that can come into Canada right now are citizens and residents. It's closed to foreigners.[1] [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/coronavirus-covid19/travel-restrictions-exemptions.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...
  - tinyhouse 6y ago
    I have no problem with closing to foreigners. Having a 3rd wave shouldn't really matter. In the list of priorities, a quarantine to fully vaccinated people with negative covid test before and after the flight, should be at the bottom of the list. (assuming the vaccine is approved by the Canadian FDA or whatever they follow in Canada). According to the OP, they require 14 days quarantine including 3 days at an expensive hotel? I mean, seriously WTF... If they said 3 days quarantine at home followed by a negative test then I would say OK. But what the OP is describing is madness. No other word for it.
    - novok 6y ago
      The point is to put a financial penalty to Canadians traveling internationally without actually putting a restriction on travel, since it's against the Canadian charter and would be difficult politically to do so. As to why they put in the hotel requirement, it was in response to political controversy. It's not organized well and you can actually skip it if you come in by land or just pay a cheaper $700 fine walk past the hotel counter in the airport so I've heard. The rest of the requirements have been there since the start and haven't been updated probably because barely anyone has been properly vaccinated in canada yet, and non-resident citizens can't vote.
      - ipaddr 6y ago
        They could stop it at the airplane level by not providing any flights out. If they allow you to leave to visit a relative saddling then with a 3,000+ tax on the way is not really fair.
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- ipaddr 6y ago
  The borders are closed for vacation travel and most employment related travel. The hotel costs are the best example of a good idea implemented poorly. Asking for a negative test good idea. Having to wait upto 3 days to get results a bad idea. Limiting the number of hotels or places they can stay to a handful and allowing them to charge top rates plus covid surcharges while providing a budget experience a really bad idea. Forcing a 3 day hotel package when your test might be available in 24 hours is the icing in the cake.
lisper 6y ago
Similar rules apply in Hawaii (as I am currently learning the hard way). You have to fill out a rather Draconian questionnaire to go there. I'm wondering if there's actually a legal basis for Hawaii to do this for domestic flights, or if it's just "because we can". Also, the information on the official Hawaii web site conflicts with that provided by UAL, which makes it hard to figure out how to comply.
- ghaff 6y ago
  States do have public health powers. For example, based on SCOTUS precedent, they can require vaccines (or at least fine people who don't get them or prevent them from attending school). And, in practice, airlines are going to impose any rules a state established.
dzonga 6y ago
in Taiwan, it's about the same. arrive in the country and quarantine for two weeks at your own expense, at a quarantine hotel. I think it's a good policy, however I think it's excessive. but however seems to be working as covid is non-existent here.
bserge 6y ago
> They don't care about whether you've already recovered from covid Why? Aren't the resulting antibodies the same as those acquired from the vaccine?
- waterhouse 6y ago
  > They don't care about whether you've already recovered from covid ... or whether you're fully vaccinated Well, it sounds like they're treating the two states the same, so at least it's consistent.

tinyhouse 6y ago

Madness. The main people who get screwed by this are Canadian citizens/residents. Everyone else would do fine without visiting Canada. (I know such rules are precisely for preventing people from visiting Canada, and I'm sure it's working...). I hope countries will change such policies for vaccinated people soon.

grecy 6y ago
Canada is currently struggling badly with a massive third wave. Cases are higher now than they've ever been, so these requirements are the opposite of madness. Also note the only people that can come into Canada right now are citizens and residents. It's closed to foreigners.[1] [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/coronavirus-covid19/travel-restrictions-exemptions.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...
- tinyhouse 6y ago
  I have no problem with closing to foreigners. Having a 3rd wave shouldn't really matter. In the list of priorities, a quarantine to fully vaccinated people with negative covid test before and after the flight, should be at the bottom of the list. (assuming the vaccine is approved by the Canadian FDA or whatever they follow in Canada). According to the OP, they require 14 days quarantine including 3 days at an expensive hotel? I mean, seriously WTF... If they said 3 days quarantine at home followed by a negative test then I would say OK. But what the OP is describing is madness. No other word for it.
  - novok 6y ago
    The point is to put a financial penalty to Canadians traveling internationally without actually putting a restriction on travel, since it's against the Canadian charter and would be difficult politically to do so. As to why they put in the hotel requirement, it was in response to political controversy. It's not organized well and you can actually skip it if you come in by land or just pay a cheaper $700 fine walk past the hotel counter in the airport so I've heard. The rest of the requirements have been there since the start and haven't been updated probably because barely anyone has been properly vaccinated in canada yet, and non-resident citizens can't vote.
    - ipaddr 6y ago
      They could stop it at the airplane level by not providing any flights out. If they allow you to leave to visit a relative saddling then with a 3,000+ tax on the way is not really fair.
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ipaddr 6y ago
The borders are closed for vacation travel and most employment related travel. The hotel costs are the best example of a good idea implemented poorly. Asking for a negative test good idea. Having to wait upto 3 days to get results a bad idea. Limiting the number of hotels or places they can stay to a handful and allowing them to charge top rates plus covid surcharges while providing a budget experience a really bad idea. Forcing a 3 day hotel package when your test might be available in 24 hours is the icing in the cake.

lisper 6y ago

Similar rules apply in Hawaii (as I am currently learning the hard way). You have to fill out a rather Draconian questionnaire to go there. I'm wondering if there's actually a legal basis for Hawaii to do this for domestic flights, or if it's just "because we can". Also, the information on the official Hawaii web site conflicts with that provided by UAL, which makes it hard to figure out how to comply.

ghaff 6y ago
States do have public health powers. For example, based on SCOTUS precedent, they can require vaccines (or at least fine people who don't get them or prevent them from attending school). And, in practice, airlines are going to impose any rules a state established.

dzonga 6y ago

in Taiwan, it's about the same. arrive in the country and quarantine for two weeks at your own expense, at a quarantine hotel. I think it's a good policy, however I think it's excessive. but however seems to be working as covid is non-existent here.

bserge 6y ago

> They don't care about whether you've already recovered from covid Why? Aren't the resulting antibodies the same as those acquired from the vaccine?

waterhouse 6y ago
> They don't care about whether you've already recovered from covid ... or whether you're fully vaccinated Well, it sounds like they're treating the two states the same, so at least it's consistent.