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Apple releases Final Cut Pro X

46 points by thisisblurry 15y ago

marcusestes 15y ago
I know a lot of grizzled video Final Cut users who are very nervous about the "iMoviefication" of the UI. But after reading these reviews I'm feeling optimistic about Apple's ability to deliver a simplified interface without sacrificing power-user features.
- cageface 15y ago
  A lot of logic users have similar fears of logic turning into "GarageBand Pro". Under Apple's care Logic has lagged significantly behind the competition, but at least it's cheap now.
  - bnastic 15y ago
    Lagged in what sense?
    - cageface 15y ago
      Features. All Logic's gained under Apple is a half-baked take comping feature and a cleaned up interface. And a cut-rate bundle price, of course. In the meantime the other big DAWs have really matured.
swivelmaster 15y ago
Here's hoping that the rumors of the death of Logic Pro have been greatly exaggerated.... Looking forward to a potential Logic Pro X?
- timerickson 15y ago
  Death of Logic Pro? Logic is in great shape and is loved by producers the world over. Final Cut was years out of date not only in features, but in UX. Logic is not dead... not even dying.
  - bengl3rt 15y ago
    Logic team was distracted for the past year writing Garageband for iPad. Here's hoping they are now back to cranking on the next version of Logic in full force.
    - bonzoesc 15y ago
      Got a source for that? I'm always fascinated at how Apple teams seem to work on several projects serially instead of forever working on the next version of some product.
      - krevis 15y ago
        It's hard to keep good developers, unless you let them work on something brand-new once in a while.
  - swivelmaster 15y ago
    Eh, friend of a friend who was a "big shot mixing guy in LA" claimed that Apple was ditching the pro audio space now that ProTools isn't hardware bound anymore and has been taking more market share. Then again, Apple has been really quiet about Logic Pro and surprised everybody with announcements of new versions every time.
    - bengl3rt 15y ago
      If this is true I'm switching to MOTU Digital Performer. I've been waiting for an excuse to anyway.
  - cageface 15y ago
    Logic is riding on momentum from the emagic days. It was so good to begin with that even after years of neglect from Apple it's still competitive. It's pretty clear that the pro apps are not a priority at Apple. The development pace of Sonar, Cubase, Live, Performer and Protools is leaving Logic behind now and hardly anybody codes native AudioUnits anymore. They just write vsts and use a wrapper. Pro audio is a niche market with a demanding clientele and it's clear Apple figures it can make a lot more money with music toys for iPads.
- ltamake 15y ago
  I can't imagine that they would kill it. It's used so much, and GarageBand doesn't offer the features that it does.
  - swivelmaster 15y ago
    It's not competing with Garage Band, it's competing with Pro Tools, Live, Reason, etc. etc. depending on what you use it for.
    - ltamake 15y ago
      No, I mean Apple can't kill Logic Pro and replace it with GarageBand.
- bonch 15y ago
  What rumors? Logic already had its revamp a couple of major versions ago.
riobard 15y ago
Price: $999 -> $299 Happened to many Apple apps that went into Mac App Store.
- jonknee 15y ago
  If you're a user of Motion or Soundtrack you need to pony up another $49 for each of those. Still a hefty discount if you didn't have the software before, a minor price increase if you're used to paying the upgrade cost.
  - mashmac2 15y ago
    Motion or Compressor... Soundtrack and Color were apparently included in Final Cut X somehow... they merged them with FCP.
    - jonknee 15y ago
      Whoops, thanks for the correction. Long day :).
highpass 15y ago
Check out the incredibly thorough release notes for a list of what's new. Might need to Instapaper it as it's very, very long. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4589 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4589
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- Bud 15y ago
  Entertainingly, that allegedly links to: http://www.apple.com/finalcutprox http://www.apple.com/finalcutprox Which is a non-existent page. What they meant to say was: http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro ...which does load.
  - username3 15y ago
    They fixed it.
brk 15y ago
A friend of mine has posted a more in depth take on it: http://chrisduke.tv/1127/final-cut-pro-x-migration-final-cut-studio-fcp7-users http://chrisduke.tv/1127/final-cut-pro-x-migration-final-cut... Summary: FCP7 projects won't uprade/import to FCP X. Be careful if you're in the middle of something or use certain 3rd Party plugins.
totalforge 15y ago
It won't import FCP7 files, but it opens iMovie files. no support for any tape based capture or export, save some Firewire devices. no third-party (playback, output, e.g., Kona) hardware support, no third-party codec support. No third party video plugin support. you cannot send or receive an EDL or XML file for online editing or finishing. (apparently) cannot apply (audio) effects, volume, and pan settings to a track. No multitrack audio recording I like some of the new ideas, but I think I'll be clutching my FCP 7 for a while yet.
- saturdaysaint 15y ago
  The iPhone parallels practically write themselves, eh?
- smcnally 15y ago
  this can't possibly remain true for long. strange that (if?) it's true upon release. where are you seeing this info? is there a replacement for EDL?
timc3 15y ago
And they have killed FCP Server. Good news for us I suppose, we offer migration and integration with our asset management system.
cormullion 15y ago
It is currently attracting more one star reviews than five star reviews in the Mac App Store...

46 points by thisisblurry 15y ago

I know a lot of grizzled video Final Cut users who are very nervous about the "iMoviefication" of the UI. But after reading these reviews I'm feeling optimistic about Apple's ability to deliver a simplified interface without sacrificing power-user features.

cageface 15y ago
A lot of logic users have similar fears of logic turning into "GarageBand Pro". Under Apple's care Logic has lagged significantly behind the competition, but at least it's cheap now.
- bnastic 15y ago
  Lagged in what sense?
  - cageface 15y ago
    Features. All Logic's gained under Apple is a half-baked take comping feature and a cleaned up interface. And a cut-rate bundle price, of course. In the meantime the other big DAWs have really matured.

swivelmaster 15y ago

Here's hoping that the rumors of the death of Logic Pro have been greatly exaggerated.... Looking forward to a potential Logic Pro X?

timerickson 15y ago
Death of Logic Pro? Logic is in great shape and is loved by producers the world over. Final Cut was years out of date not only in features, but in UX. Logic is not dead... not even dying.
- bengl3rt 15y ago
  Logic team was distracted for the past year writing Garageband for iPad. Here's hoping they are now back to cranking on the next version of Logic in full force.
  - bonzoesc 15y ago
    Got a source for that? I'm always fascinated at how Apple teams seem to work on several projects serially instead of forever working on the next version of some product.
    - krevis 15y ago
      It's hard to keep good developers, unless you let them work on something brand-new once in a while.
- swivelmaster 15y ago
  Eh, friend of a friend who was a "big shot mixing guy in LA" claimed that Apple was ditching the pro audio space now that ProTools isn't hardware bound anymore and has been taking more market share. Then again, Apple has been really quiet about Logic Pro and surprised everybody with announcements of new versions every time.
  - bengl3rt 15y ago
    If this is true I'm switching to MOTU Digital Performer. I've been waiting for an excuse to anyway.
- cageface 15y ago
  Logic is riding on momentum from the emagic days. It was so good to begin with that even after years of neglect from Apple it's still competitive. It's pretty clear that the pro apps are not a priority at Apple. The development pace of Sonar, Cubase, Live, Performer and Protools is leaving Logic behind now and hardly anybody codes native AudioUnits anymore. They just write vsts and use a wrapper. Pro audio is a niche market with a demanding clientele and it's clear Apple figures it can make a lot more money with music toys for iPads.
ltamake 15y ago
I can't imagine that they would kill it. It's used so much, and GarageBand doesn't offer the features that it does.
- swivelmaster 15y ago
  It's not competing with Garage Band, it's competing with Pro Tools, Live, Reason, etc. etc. depending on what you use it for.
  - ltamake 15y ago
    No, I mean Apple can't kill Logic Pro and replace it with GarageBand.
bonch 15y ago
What rumors? Logic already had its revamp a couple of major versions ago.

riobard 15y ago

Price: $999 -> $299 Happened to many Apple apps that went into Mac App Store.

jonknee 15y ago
If you're a user of Motion or Soundtrack you need to pony up another $49 for each of those. Still a hefty discount if you didn't have the software before, a minor price increase if you're used to paying the upgrade cost.
- mashmac2 15y ago
  Motion or Compressor... Soundtrack and Color were apparently included in Final Cut X somehow... they merged them with FCP.
  - jonknee 15y ago
    Whoops, thanks for the correction. Long day :).

highpass 15y ago

Check out the incredibly thorough release notes for a list of what's new. Might need to Instapaper it as it's very, very long. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4589 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4589

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Bud 15y ago
Entertainingly, that allegedly links to: http://www.apple.com/finalcutprox http://www.apple.com/finalcutprox Which is a non-existent page. What they meant to say was: http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro ...which does load.
- username3 15y ago
  They fixed it.

brk 15y ago

A friend of mine has posted a more in depth take on it: http://chrisduke.tv/1127/final-cut-pro-x-migration-final-cut-studio-fcp7-users http://chrisduke.tv/1127/final-cut-pro-x-migration-final-cut... Summary: FCP7 projects won't uprade/import to FCP X. Be careful if you're in the middle of something or use certain 3rd Party plugins.

totalforge 15y ago

It won't import FCP7 files, but it opens iMovie files. no support for any tape based capture or export, save some Firewire devices. no third-party (playback, output, e.g., Kona) hardware support, no third-party codec support. No third party video plugin support. you cannot send or receive an EDL or XML file for online editing or finishing. (apparently) cannot apply (audio) effects, volume, and pan settings to a track. No multitrack audio recording I like some of the new ideas, but I think I'll be clutching my FCP 7 for a while yet.

saturdaysaint 15y ago
The iPhone parallels practically write themselves, eh?
smcnally 15y ago
this can't possibly remain true for long. strange that (if?) it's true upon release. where are you seeing this info? is there a replacement for EDL?

timc3 15y ago

And they have killed FCP Server. Good news for us I suppose, we offer migration and integration with our asset management system.

cormullion 15y ago

It is currently attracting more one star reviews than five star reviews in the Mac App Store...