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Why do I get the feeling that 'unpopular' is just a euphemism for 'racist' here. You're saying you want to cancel cancel culture? Like look, I'll give you that

by vict7 5y ago

Why do I get the feeling that 'unpopular' is just a euphemism for 'racist' here. You're saying you want to cancel cancel culture? Like look, I'll give you that there exist an incredibly small fraction of people that actually embody the spectre you are trying to conjure here. We have so so many more pressing issues in this country than fear of wokeness--like the rise of domestic white-supremacist terrorism.

throwaway20875 5y ago
Can you share any data points on the rise of domestic white supremacist terrorism? I'm genuinely interested in what kind of threat this poses.
- objectivetruth 5y ago
  The same computer and Internet connection that you used to post this message of "genuine interest" will also allow you to -- independently -- search for tons of actual US government reports and independent academic studies of US white supremacist terrorism, the arrests made, deaths and injuries caused, etc. In fact, I'd bet you can find 100 of those papers before you can find a single peer-reviewed study demonstrating any macroeconomic impact of "somebody said something racist on the Internet and everybody yelled at them!"
- vict7 5y ago
  Here's two articles from within the last calendar year. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/us/domestic-terrorist-groups.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/us/domestic-terrorist-gro... https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...
  - throwaway20875 5y ago
    They both reference the same CSIS study. One of the quotes from the most recent study which seems to contradict there's a rise in violence: "White supremacists, extremist militia members, and other violent far-right extremists were responsible for 66 percent of domestic terrorist attacks and plots in 2020—roughly consistent with their share in other recent years. For example, on June 7, Harry H. Rogers—a self-proclaimed leader of the Ku Klux Klan—intentionally drove his pick-up truck into a crowd of Black Lives Matter demonstrators in Henrico, Virginia. One protester was injured, and Rogers received a six-year prison sentence. In addition, anarchists, anti-fascists, violent environmentalists, and other violent far-left extremists conducted 23 percent of terrorist attacks and plots in 2020—an increase from the previous three years, in which violent far-left incidents comprised between 5 and 11 percent of all domestic terrorist attacks and plots. For example, on August 29 in Portland, Oregon, Michael Reinoehl—an Antifa extremist—followed two members of the far-right group Patriot Prayer and then shot and killed one of them, Aaron “Jay” Danielson." These are important trends and I pay close attention to them as I believe we're going to be facing a sharply decreasing quality of life for the average American in the coming years which will provoke anger and unrest. These are going to be ingredients to serious problems, some of which will trigger a broad increase in violence. Unfortunately I have little faith in our current leadership or system to deal with these challenges.

by vict7 5y ago

throwaway20875 5y ago

Can you share any data points on the rise of domestic white supremacist terrorism? I'm genuinely interested in what kind of threat this poses.

objectivetruth 5y ago
The same computer and Internet connection that you used to post this message of "genuine interest" will also allow you to -- independently -- search for tons of actual US government reports and independent academic studies of US white supremacist terrorism, the arrests made, deaths and injuries caused, etc. In fact, I'd bet you can find 100 of those papers before you can find a single peer-reviewed study demonstrating any macroeconomic impact of "somebody said something racist on the Internet and everybody yelled at them!"
vict7 5y ago
Here's two articles from within the last calendar year. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/us/domestic-terrorist-groups.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/24/us/domestic-terrorist-gro... https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...
- throwaway20875 5y ago
  They both reference the same CSIS study. One of the quotes from the most recent study which seems to contradict there's a rise in violence: "White supremacists, extremist militia members, and other violent far-right extremists were responsible for 66 percent of domestic terrorist attacks and plots in 2020—roughly consistent with their share in other recent years. For example, on June 7, Harry H. Rogers—a self-proclaimed leader of the Ku Klux Klan—intentionally drove his pick-up truck into a crowd of Black Lives Matter demonstrators in Henrico, Virginia. One protester was injured, and Rogers received a six-year prison sentence. In addition, anarchists, anti-fascists, violent environmentalists, and other violent far-left extremists conducted 23 percent of terrorist attacks and plots in 2020—an increase from the previous three years, in which violent far-left incidents comprised between 5 and 11 percent of all domestic terrorist attacks and plots. For example, on August 29 in Portland, Oregon, Michael Reinoehl—an Antifa extremist—followed two members of the far-right group Patriot Prayer and then shot and killed one of them, Aaron “Jay” Danielson." These are important trends and I pay close attention to them as I believe we're going to be facing a sharply decreasing quality of life for the average American in the coming years which will provoke anger and unrest. These are going to be ingredients to serious problems, some of which will trigger a broad increase in violence. Unfortunately I have little faith in our current leadership or system to deal with these challenges.