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This is factually untrue. By pretty much every imaginable metric China has improved for nearly everyone (in China) for the past 50 years. Is this also true in

This is factually untrue. By pretty much every imaginable metric China has improved for nearly everyone (in China) for the past 50 years. Is this also true in the USA? I don't think China is superior to the USA, but to say China is in a "irreversible decline" is ridiculous. https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/ce/celt/eng/jmgx/jjxs/t124869.htm https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/ce/celt/eng/jmgx/jjxs/t124869.htm https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-economic-growth-history/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-economic-growth-histo... https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-china https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-relations-china

jorblumesea 6y ago
I don't think "irreversible decline" meaning the raw metrics get worse. I think here it means the structure and ideology of the CCP means they will never be able to deliver what the West can deliver, especially on the personal freedoms front. Maybe decline is the wrong word, and collision course is a better one. As China globalizes and becomes more exposed to the outside world, they will start to wonder why they can't vote on things like environmental regulation, or why the local factory pollutes their river but they have little say in that process. In this sense, this is the decline. It's the CCP being undermined by their own economic liberalization.
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EdwinLarkin 6y ago
It is factually true. Chinese have access to poisoned shitty water that everyone has to boil first and that's not only because of that chi bullshit. Meanwhile I have access to delicious spring water from Alps. China has achieved only superficial changes that will bite them in the ass in the future.
- endisneigh 6y ago
  Do you seriously believe China is worse now then it was 50 years ago?
  - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
    China is not worse than it was 50 years ago however it's development is unsustainable and superficial.
    - sshine 6y ago
      Numbers > adjectives Chinese has a booming middle class as well as a lot of poor people.
      - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
        CCP shills do nothing to me.I hope CCP pays you well for spewing this "BuT We lIFt 300M ppl oUT of pOVeRty".
        dang 6y ago
        Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. You did that repeatedly in this thread, and you broke the site guidelines egregiously with this one. Please read the rules and do no more of this on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I'm not going to ban you right now because you've posted other comments that are within the intended use of the site, but you've been seriously abusing it also. Comments like this one and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26697627 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26697627 are not ok.
        EdwinLarkin 6y ago
        What's wrong with the latter? It's a standard practice of indian outsourcing companies like Infosys,Tech Mahinda,TCL... Also the "lifting out of poverty" is standard propaganda spread by CCP https://www.firstpost.com/world/china-claims-to-have-ended-extreme-poverty-but-experts-question-if-it-set-the-bar-too-low-9365111.html https://www.firstpost.com/world/china-claims-to-have-ended-e... What's nationalistic about that?
        6y ago
- thepasswordis 6y ago
  Yeah except China actually cares about continuing that improvement. You've got that spring water now, but who is working on getting you a newer, better spring water, and has anybody called them a racist sexist misogynistic homophobic demon yet?
  - objectivetruth 6y ago
    No, but nobody called America that either. Your anti-PC hyperbole in this thread is wearing quite thin. If you don't like being called a [racist, sexist, whatever], then either change or grow some thicker skin. People pointing out racially charged or misogynistic language in interpersonal situations is NOT causing widespread economic or industrial damage. No municipal water supply in the US ever canceled an infrastructure project or a new filtration plant because of political correctness. No, the worst that happens if somebody calls you a racist is... somebody called you a racist. You don't pay a fine, your business isn't seized, and -- most germane to your "point -- your water filtration plant isn't demolished.
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- Daho0n 6y ago
  >Chinese have access to poisoned shitty water And the so-called top dog of the west have cities where people for years had to get bottled water because the whole city were poisoned and whole states are drying out. Not everyone in the west are as lucky as those of us with clean water. Definitely not the US.
  - gruez 6y ago
    >And the so-called top dog of the west have cities where people for years had to get bottled water because the whole city were poisoned and whole states are drying out. The point remains. Tap water is by default not drinkable, whereas water in the US is (barring some exceptions).
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      No it clearly is not. It migh be to you but I would never drink water in the US from the tap. When you are used to clean groundwater and discussions about water from the Alps not being clean enough then the water in the US is not even on the same level. And how did it look in the US in the 70's when it were booming like China is now? Children in plastic cocoons because the air were toxic with lead, drinking water full of crap, dead fish everywhere from dumping of chemicals in lakes and sea, radioactive waste leaking, etc.
- traveler01 6y ago
  In the US there are reports of lead and other toxic materials in the tap water. I dislike China but the US also has those issues, people are just unware of them.

jorblumesea 6y ago

I don't think "irreversible decline" meaning the raw metrics get worse. I think here it means the structure and ideology of the CCP means they will never be able to deliver what the West can deliver, especially on the personal freedoms front. Maybe decline is the wrong word, and collision course is a better one. As China globalizes and becomes more exposed to the outside world, they will start to wonder why they can't vote on things like environmental regulation, or why the local factory pollutes their river but they have little say in that process. In this sense, this is the decline. It's the CCP being undermined by their own economic liberalization.

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EdwinLarkin 6y ago

It is factually true. Chinese have access to poisoned shitty water that everyone has to boil first and that's not only because of that chi bullshit. Meanwhile I have access to delicious spring water from Alps. China has achieved only superficial changes that will bite them in the ass in the future.

endisneigh 6y ago
Do you seriously believe China is worse now then it was 50 years ago?
- EdwinLarkin 6y ago
  China is not worse than it was 50 years ago however it's development is unsustainable and superficial.
  - sshine 6y ago
    Numbers > adjectives Chinese has a booming middle class as well as a lot of poor people.
    - EdwinLarkin 6y ago
      CCP shills do nothing to me.I hope CCP pays you well for spewing this "BuT We lIFt 300M ppl oUT of pOVeRty".
      - dang 6y ago
        Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. You did that repeatedly in this thread, and you broke the site guidelines egregiously with this one. Please read the rules and do no more of this on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I'm not going to ban you right now because you've posted other comments that are within the intended use of the site, but you've been seriously abusing it also. Comments like this one and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26697627 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26697627 are not ok.
        EdwinLarkin 6y ago
        What's wrong with the latter? It's a standard practice of indian outsourcing companies like Infosys,Tech Mahinda,TCL... Also the "lifting out of poverty" is standard propaganda spread by CCP https://www.firstpost.com/world/china-claims-to-have-ended-extreme-poverty-but-experts-question-if-it-set-the-bar-too-low-9365111.html https://www.firstpost.com/world/china-claims-to-have-ended-e... What's nationalistic about that?
        6y ago
thepasswordis 6y ago
Yeah except China actually cares about continuing that improvement. You've got that spring water now, but who is working on getting you a newer, better spring water, and has anybody called them a racist sexist misogynistic homophobic demon yet?
- objectivetruth 6y ago
  No, but nobody called America that either. Your anti-PC hyperbole in this thread is wearing quite thin. If you don't like being called a [racist, sexist, whatever], then either change or grow some thicker skin. People pointing out racially charged or misogynistic language in interpersonal situations is NOT causing widespread economic or industrial damage. No municipal water supply in the US ever canceled an infrastructure project or a new filtration plant because of political correctness. No, the worst that happens if somebody calls you a racist is... somebody called you a racist. You don't pay a fine, your business isn't seized, and -- most germane to your "point -- your water filtration plant isn't demolished.
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Daho0n 6y ago
>Chinese have access to poisoned shitty water And the so-called top dog of the west have cities where people for years had to get bottled water because the whole city were poisoned and whole states are drying out. Not everyone in the west are as lucky as those of us with clean water. Definitely not the US.
- gruez 6y ago
  >And the so-called top dog of the west have cities where people for years had to get bottled water because the whole city were poisoned and whole states are drying out. The point remains. Tap water is by default not drinkable, whereas water in the US is (barring some exceptions).
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    No it clearly is not. It migh be to you but I would never drink water in the US from the tap. When you are used to clean groundwater and discussions about water from the Alps not being clean enough then the water in the US is not even on the same level. And how did it look in the US in the 70's when it were booming like China is now? Children in plastic cocoons because the air were toxic with lead, drinking water full of crap, dead fish everywhere from dumping of chemicals in lakes and sea, radioactive waste leaking, etc.
traveler01 6y ago
In the US there are reports of lead and other toxic materials in the tap water. I dislike China but the US also has those issues, people are just unware of them.