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And I am betting that CCP will implode within the decade. If west is in decline please stop sending your top students abroad to study (and stay there). Great j

And I am betting that CCP will implode within the decade. If west is in decline please stop sending your top students abroad to study (and stay there). Great job promoting brain drain. I am tired of this unfounded narrative that the west is in decline. No, it’s not. It’s actually getting stronger by the day especially the US.

Covzire 5y ago
What indications are you seeing of this?
- mgolawala 5y ago
  I, personally am ambivalent on this subject. I see many signs that support the narrative of a west in decline while also seeing signs that it still has plenty of innovation and strength still left in it. The center of technological innovation still resides here in the west. In the west the industrial and technological prowess are demonstrated through its corporations. For a recent example, look at the speed of development, and efficacy of the vaccines developed in the West compared to the ones developed in China. Beating the west by creating a better vaccine, faster would have been like the Moon landing in terms of raising China's prestige and stature. SpaceX, despite being only a mid sized company in the US, has a space program that is more advanced that any nation on Earth. Companies like Boston Robotics and Waymo continue to sprout up in the US. In the event of a total war situation, the west would have a better chance of calling upon the expertise and knowledge of companies like these, much as it did in World War II. However, things do change. China continues to rise. If it plays its cards right, it can become a rival to, and even eclipse the west. However the fact is, the west continues to be a center for innovation, that pulls in the smartest and brightest from all over the world. People from everywhere, including China, continue to immigrate to it and bring new blood to its competitive economic engine. Feeding the creative destruction of economic and technological innovation. China does not yet have this. It's corporations sit in service of their bureaucracy, its public discourse and innovation is hampered by its great firewall. A Chinese proverb comes to mind - "We'll see"
  - throwastrike 5y ago
    I don’t think national rivalries and all that will be around much longer. Borders are getting increasingly meaningless. People just want the freedom to make a good honest living anywhere on earth. Anything that gets in the way is doomed to fail. I believe this will happen in my lifetime.
goodluckchuck 5y ago
The CCP isn’t sending them in hopes they’ll return. A large number are tasked with infiltration and subversion.
throwaway-70b8 5y ago
those students are being used as cover for espionage. Most have no idea.
mvanaltvorst 5y ago
China has always been extremely good for its top students, providing them with all they need to excel. Once China becomes a global superpower, I'd imagine many of them go back to working for China if they get the chance to with their new-found expertise from abroad.
tim333 5y ago
It's been remarkably stable so far. The only way I could see it going is if Xi dies and is replaced by a Gorbachev type.

Covzire 5y ago

What indications are you seeing of this?

mgolawala 5y ago
I, personally am ambivalent on this subject. I see many signs that support the narrative of a west in decline while also seeing signs that it still has plenty of innovation and strength still left in it. The center of technological innovation still resides here in the west. In the west the industrial and technological prowess are demonstrated through its corporations. For a recent example, look at the speed of development, and efficacy of the vaccines developed in the West compared to the ones developed in China. Beating the west by creating a better vaccine, faster would have been like the Moon landing in terms of raising China's prestige and stature. SpaceX, despite being only a mid sized company in the US, has a space program that is more advanced that any nation on Earth. Companies like Boston Robotics and Waymo continue to sprout up in the US. In the event of a total war situation, the west would have a better chance of calling upon the expertise and knowledge of companies like these, much as it did in World War II. However, things do change. China continues to rise. If it plays its cards right, it can become a rival to, and even eclipse the west. However the fact is, the west continues to be a center for innovation, that pulls in the smartest and brightest from all over the world. People from everywhere, including China, continue to immigrate to it and bring new blood to its competitive economic engine. Feeding the creative destruction of economic and technological innovation. China does not yet have this. It's corporations sit in service of their bureaucracy, its public discourse and innovation is hampered by its great firewall. A Chinese proverb comes to mind - "We'll see"
- throwastrike 5y ago
  I don’t think national rivalries and all that will be around much longer. Borders are getting increasingly meaningless. People just want the freedom to make a good honest living anywhere on earth. Anything that gets in the way is doomed to fail. I believe this will happen in my lifetime.

goodluckchuck 5y ago

The CCP isn’t sending them in hopes they’ll return. A large number are tasked with infiltration and subversion.

throwaway-70b8 5y ago

those students are being used as cover for espionage. Most have no idea.

mvanaltvorst 5y ago

China has always been extremely good for its top students, providing them with all they need to excel. Once China becomes a global superpower, I'd imagine many of them go back to working for China if they get the chance to with their new-found expertise from abroad.

tim333 5y ago

It's been remarkably stable so far. The only way I could see it going is if Xi dies and is replaced by a Gorbachev type.