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Elephant in the room is the ugly and unnecessary search box. It sticks out like a sore thumb when you consider the effort Firefox has gone through to clean up

Elephant in the room is the ugly and unnecessary search box. It sticks out like a sore thumb when you consider the effort Firefox has gone through to clean up the interface. side rant: what's up with search boxes that keep your previous search term in the box. What's the point? iPad does this as well and it drives me insane. I always just manually delete the entry after searching but I shouldn't have to do that and I don't want guests to know my previous search.

mbrubeck 15y ago
You can of course customize the toolbars [1] to remove the search bar, since you can also search through the address bar. But unlike the search bar, the address bar does not show suggestions as you type, because of the privacy implications of sending everything you type there to a third party. (There are add-ons to change that if you want to.) [1]: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/how-do-i-customize-toolbars http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/how-do-i-customize-toolb...
- MatthewPhillips 15y ago
  Why ship with the redundant feature? Revenue?
  - sid0 15y ago
    Privacy. I don't think revenue is a factor, since it's probably hooked up to the address bar search too.
    - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
      How does the existence of a search box affect privacy?
      - mbrubeck 15y ago
        The search box provides suggestions, but it does this by sending everything you type to your search provider. The address box doesn't, because we feel it's bad for privacy to send every web address you type to a third party.
        MatthewPhillips 15y ago
        Can't you use regexp to differentiate urls from search terms and only send search terms?
        m_myers 15y ago
        How? Do you start all your URLs with "www"? I know I don't, so a regex couldn't possibly know until I typed either a space or a dot. On the other hand, if you could make this work, I'd love to see it.
        ninwa 15y ago
        Perhaps we could do the reverse? Provide search suggestions if the user explicitly tells us to by beginning their input with a special character. '?' perhaps. Alternatively, although not intuitive, if the user enters focus with the search bar through a specific key-stroke: CTRL + L for a regular URL entry, and re-route CTRL + K to our web-bar, but with suggestions.
        oconnore 15y ago
        In Opera typing g + space begins a Google search. The prefix is stripped off before it's sent.
        seabee 15y ago
        Your alternative method is Chrome behaviour (of course it gives suggestions even if you don't prefix with ?, but the keyboard shortcuts are there)
        9999 15y ago
        Thank you for respecting your user's privacy. This is one of the many reasons I use Firefox over Chrome.
personalcompute 15y ago
Not the intended purpose, but the search box has been very useful to me in the past as a quick second paste-buffer, much quicker than opening a text editor or anything to place it in.
redouane 15y ago
the search box is kept because it may be part of the deal with google i think
pkamb 15y ago
The "search bar keeping your previous search term" issue has to do with the ownership of the search box. It used to be, when tabs were below the search box, that made sense. You'd be using the same one search box no matter which tab you were on, and thus it would always keep the same search term between tabs. Now, with tabs-on-top, each tab contains its own search box. These should be unique, just like each tab has its own URL bar. It doesn't make sense at all that search queries are preserved between tabs. But that's the way Firefox still does it. (Thinking about this now, I guess that's a different issue than the one you were talking about... why any search box saves any query after pressing "Enter". Still an annoying little quirk though.)
- nazar 15y ago
  I am not sure about FF5, but on FF4 though the search bar kinda seems to be related to the particular tab, it is still the common search bar and the things I searched while at one tab are displayed in every other tab. I am using Ubuntu 11.04/Firefox 4.0.1
- pkamb 15y ago
  And the saving the search term thing is that way because that's how Google-the-website works. Search for something on google.com, and the Results Page shows that term in the box. The Search Box behavior was just carried over from that.
- carussell 15y ago
  > Now, with tabs-on-top, each tab contains its own search box. These should be unique, just like each tab has its own URL bar. The location bar is faked, too. Try focusing the location bar and ctrl/cmd+Z-ing through the values it's held since browser startup.
  - pkamb 15y ago
    At least when you click from tab to tab the URL bar changes, that's the important part if you're faking it. The search bar keeps the same query on every tab.
albertsun 15y ago
I like the search box because the URL history autocomplete of the main URL bar is so much better in Firefox than any browser. I can type any part of a page title or URL (not just the start) and it goes through and finds pages from my history. I do that much more often than I search for things and so I really like having them separate.
- tomkarlo 15y ago
  Chrome searches your history and offers the search option, without requiring a separate search box. It doesn't force you to use the start of the URL or title, either, as far as I can tell.
  - albertsun 15y ago
    It kind of does but it doesn't work nearly as well, at least in part because it clutters up the list of options with suggested searches.
    - tomkarlo 15y ago
      I have a ton of search engines installed but it only does one suggested search in the list of options, as far as I can tell.
  - yesimahuman 15y ago
    The chrome address bar search tokenization seems much more simplistic. Something like splitting on path elements would help me match "finance" when searching through my history for google.com/finance
- mixmastamyk 15y ago
  I like it but it needs some optimization or throttling. Would you believe the fans on my laptop go on full blast when I type in the url bar? Annoying.
- colkassad 15y ago
  Whenever I switch to another browser (such as IE at work because it is mandated for 'security reasons') that is the first thing I miss. In many cases I only type one letter before getting what I want.
starwed 15y ago
If you use more than one search engine, keeping the term after pressing enter can make a lot of sense. Example: If I search wikipedia and that produces no results, I'll google the same term instead. That said, it would probably make sense for it to clear out after a few minutes, or after your interaction seems to indicate that you're done with that search term.
DisposaBoy 15y ago
It's not absolutely necessary - what is? It is however a great loss in Chrom[e|ium] and I must say it does get annoying when you're forced to put a slash after domain names which are only at the top level (e.g localhost). You could argue that this is a bug in Chromium which is probably not gonna be fixed any time soon however if it were treated as a domain then it no longer works for searches, ambiguity, ambiguity, ambiguity.
barney54 15y ago
It might not be necessary, but it is the one feature I prefer about Firefox than Chrome. I use it a lot and it is more handy to change search engines or to search other sites than typing those things in my hand in Chrome.
anant 15y ago
Everything you type in Chrome's single address bar is sent to Google servers. In Firefox, only the stuff you type in the search bar reaches servers for auto-completion, but the location bar is entirely local. This is an important distinction for privacy, but you are right that we may need to come up with a better UI that unifies the two boxes whilst maintaining the distinction between a local and remote search. The "prospector" series of experimental add-ons from Mozilla Labs have some ideas in this area, most notably AwesomeBar HD: https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/04/27/awesomebar-hd-find-what-you-want/ https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/04/27/awesomebar-hd-...

mbrubeck 15y ago

You can of course customize the toolbars [1] to remove the search bar, since you can also search through the address bar. But unlike the search bar, the address bar does not show suggestions as you type, because of the privacy implications of sending everything you type there to a third party. (There are add-ons to change that if you want to.) [1]: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/how-do-i-customize-toolbars http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/how-do-i-customize-toolb...

MatthewPhillips 15y ago
Why ship with the redundant feature? Revenue?
- sid0 15y ago
  Privacy. I don't think revenue is a factor, since it's probably hooked up to the address bar search too.
  - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
    How does the existence of a search box affect privacy?
    - mbrubeck 15y ago
      The search box provides suggestions, but it does this by sending everything you type to your search provider. The address box doesn't, because we feel it's bad for privacy to send every web address you type to a third party.
      - MatthewPhillips 15y ago
        Can't you use regexp to differentiate urls from search terms and only send search terms?
        m_myers 15y ago
        How? Do you start all your URLs with "www"? I know I don't, so a regex couldn't possibly know until I typed either a space or a dot. On the other hand, if you could make this work, I'd love to see it.
        ninwa 15y ago
        Perhaps we could do the reverse? Provide search suggestions if the user explicitly tells us to by beginning their input with a special character. '?' perhaps. Alternatively, although not intuitive, if the user enters focus with the search bar through a specific key-stroke: CTRL + L for a regular URL entry, and re-route CTRL + K to our web-bar, but with suggestions.
        oconnore 15y ago
        In Opera typing g + space begins a Google search. The prefix is stripped off before it's sent.
        seabee 15y ago
        Your alternative method is Chrome behaviour (of course it gives suggestions even if you don't prefix with ?, but the keyboard shortcuts are there)
      - 9999 15y ago
        Thank you for respecting your user's privacy. This is one of the many reasons I use Firefox over Chrome.

personalcompute 15y ago

Not the intended purpose, but the search box has been very useful to me in the past as a quick second paste-buffer, much quicker than opening a text editor or anything to place it in.

redouane 15y ago

the search box is kept because it may be part of the deal with google i think

pkamb 15y ago

The "search bar keeping your previous search term" issue has to do with the ownership of the search box. It used to be, when tabs were below the search box, that made sense. You'd be using the same one search box no matter which tab you were on, and thus it would always keep the same search term between tabs. Now, with tabs-on-top, each tab contains its own search box. These should be unique, just like each tab has its own URL bar. It doesn't make sense at all that search queries are preserved between tabs. But that's the way Firefox still does it. (Thinking about this now, I guess that's a different issue than the one you were talking about... why any search box saves any query after pressing "Enter". Still an annoying little quirk though.)

nazar 15y ago
I am not sure about FF5, but on FF4 though the search bar kinda seems to be related to the particular tab, it is still the common search bar and the things I searched while at one tab are displayed in every other tab. I am using Ubuntu 11.04/Firefox 4.0.1
pkamb 15y ago
And the saving the search term thing is that way because that's how Google-the-website works. Search for something on google.com, and the Results Page shows that term in the box. The Search Box behavior was just carried over from that.
carussell 15y ago
> Now, with tabs-on-top, each tab contains its own search box. These should be unique, just like each tab has its own URL bar. The location bar is faked, too. Try focusing the location bar and ctrl/cmd+Z-ing through the values it's held since browser startup.
- pkamb 15y ago
  At least when you click from tab to tab the URL bar changes, that's the important part if you're faking it. The search bar keeps the same query on every tab.

albertsun 15y ago

I like the search box because the URL history autocomplete of the main URL bar is so much better in Firefox than any browser. I can type any part of a page title or URL (not just the start) and it goes through and finds pages from my history. I do that much more often than I search for things and so I really like having them separate.

tomkarlo 15y ago
Chrome searches your history and offers the search option, without requiring a separate search box. It doesn't force you to use the start of the URL or title, either, as far as I can tell.
- albertsun 15y ago
  It kind of does but it doesn't work nearly as well, at least in part because it clutters up the list of options with suggested searches.
  - tomkarlo 15y ago
    I have a ton of search engines installed but it only does one suggested search in the list of options, as far as I can tell.
- yesimahuman 15y ago
  The chrome address bar search tokenization seems much more simplistic. Something like splitting on path elements would help me match "finance" when searching through my history for google.com/finance
mixmastamyk 15y ago
I like it but it needs some optimization or throttling. Would you believe the fans on my laptop go on full blast when I type in the url bar? Annoying.
colkassad 15y ago
Whenever I switch to another browser (such as IE at work because it is mandated for 'security reasons') that is the first thing I miss. In many cases I only type one letter before getting what I want.

starwed 15y ago

If you use more than one search engine, keeping the term after pressing enter can make a lot of sense. Example: If I search wikipedia and that produces no results, I'll google the same term instead. That said, it would probably make sense for it to clear out after a few minutes, or after your interaction seems to indicate that you're done with that search term.

DisposaBoy 15y ago

It's not absolutely necessary - what is? It is however a great loss in Chrom[e|ium] and I must say it does get annoying when you're forced to put a slash after domain names which are only at the top level (e.g localhost). You could argue that this is a bug in Chromium which is probably not gonna be fixed any time soon however if it were treated as a domain then it no longer works for searches, ambiguity, ambiguity, ambiguity.

barney54 15y ago

It might not be necessary, but it is the one feature I prefer about Firefox than Chrome. I use it a lot and it is more handy to change search engines or to search other sites than typing those things in my hand in Chrome.

anant 15y ago

Everything you type in Chrome's single address bar is sent to Google servers. In Firefox, only the stuff you type in the search bar reaches servers for auto-completion, but the location bar is entirely local. This is an important distinction for privacy, but you are right that we may need to come up with a better UI that unifies the two boxes whilst maintaining the distinction between a local and remote search. The "prospector" series of experimental add-ons from Mozilla Labs have some ideas in this area, most notably AwesomeBar HD: https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/04/27/awesomebar-hd-find-what-you-want/ https://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/04/27/awesomebar-hd-...