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TL;DR? That looks like a very long essay / dissertation just to say 'I love rust'.

by colesantiago 6y ago

jmull 6y ago
> a very long essay / dissertation just to say 'I love rust'. I think you nailed it.
ModernMech 6y ago
After 14k words I think I've come to the TL;DR at the end: "I am irrationally effusive about Rust."
void_mint 6y ago
TL;DR: Author likes Rust. Rust exposed them to new things. The title is totally misleading and irrelevant.
jvanderbot 6y ago
It is. It's not going to replace Python, and if maintenance is the metric, then "rewrite it in rust" is not the right move. But I do think Rust will gain traction, be a round a long time, and slowly become a complement to existing C/C++ ecosystems through wrapping and binding. I'm just not sure the other way will materialize. Until Rust can be used to feed back into C/C++ ecosystems and long-standing projects (like the linux kernel), it'll struggle to be the primary ecosystem / language for non-new (e.g., non-trivial) projects.
- otabdeveloper4 6y ago
  At this point Rust is not the prmary ecosystem for anything. The important and exciting new things are written in C++, not Rust. Rust has no advantages over C++ once you know C++.
  - neonological 6y ago
    This statement is wrong. Rust has many advantages over C++. Knowing c++ doesn’t make these advantages disappear. It’s like saying you know assembly language and can write 100% bug free code in assembly so C++ has no advantage over it. Realistically, both languages have advantages and disadvantages.
  - PartiallyTyped 6y ago
    I find a lot more things that I like in rust over Cxx; I like the trait system over Cxx's whole virtual functions and interfaces. I like algebraic types and forced enumeration of cases, I like immutable by default without the need to write const everywhere, and I certainly prefer cargo over anything I have seen in Cxx ecosystem.
  - jvanderbot 6y ago
    I agree that Rust isn't the primary ecosystem. But that's not a reason to dismiss Rust. If Rust could create components that can be incorporated into C/C++ systems, then we'd have a real contender for systems programming. The problem is Rust is strict, and it only goes one way, from C/C++ to Rust. That's the right first step! Saying C++ is better than Rust "once you know it" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No language is intrinsically better once mastered by a productive programmer.
  - daypay 6y ago
    Isn't this what the cxx project is aiming to do? https://github.com/dtolnay/cxx https://github.com/dtolnay/cxx
  - mlindner 6y ago
    I would counter then that it's impossible to ever "know C++" then given that even C++ experts write in memory-based security exploits from time to time.

TL;DR? That looks like a very long essay / dissertation just to say 'I love rust'.

jmull 6y ago

> a very long essay / dissertation just to say 'I love rust'. I think you nailed it.

ModernMech 6y ago

After 14k words I think I've come to the TL;DR at the end: "I am irrationally effusive about Rust."

void_mint 6y ago

TL;DR: Author likes Rust. Rust exposed them to new things. The title is totally misleading and irrelevant.

jvanderbot 6y ago

It is. It's not going to replace Python, and if maintenance is the metric, then "rewrite it in rust" is not the right move. But I do think Rust will gain traction, be a round a long time, and slowly become a complement to existing C/C++ ecosystems through wrapping and binding. I'm just not sure the other way will materialize. Until Rust can be used to feed back into C/C++ ecosystems and long-standing projects (like the linux kernel), it'll struggle to be the primary ecosystem / language for non-new (e.g., non-trivial) projects.

otabdeveloper4 6y ago
At this point Rust is not the prmary ecosystem for anything. The important and exciting new things are written in C++, not Rust. Rust has no advantages over C++ once you know C++.
- neonological 6y ago
  This statement is wrong. Rust has many advantages over C++. Knowing c++ doesn’t make these advantages disappear. It’s like saying you know assembly language and can write 100% bug free code in assembly so C++ has no advantage over it. Realistically, both languages have advantages and disadvantages.
- PartiallyTyped 6y ago
  I find a lot more things that I like in rust over Cxx; I like the trait system over Cxx's whole virtual functions and interfaces. I like algebraic types and forced enumeration of cases, I like immutable by default without the need to write const everywhere, and I certainly prefer cargo over anything I have seen in Cxx ecosystem.
- jvanderbot 6y ago
  I agree that Rust isn't the primary ecosystem. But that's not a reason to dismiss Rust. If Rust could create components that can be incorporated into C/C++ systems, then we'd have a real contender for systems programming. The problem is Rust is strict, and it only goes one way, from C/C++ to Rust. That's the right first step! Saying C++ is better than Rust "once you know it" doesn't make a lot of sense to me. No language is intrinsically better once mastered by a productive programmer.
- daypay 6y ago
  Isn't this what the cxx project is aiming to do? https://github.com/dtolnay/cxx https://github.com/dtolnay/cxx
- mlindner 6y ago
  I would counter then that it's impossible to ever "know C++" then given that even C++ experts write in memory-based security exploits from time to time.