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Why didn't they stop the vaccinations in women under age of 60/65? I'm a 40 year old man, if I were a woman I wouldn't take J&J or AstraZeneca, but as I'm a ma

Why didn't they stop the vaccinations in women under age of 60/65? I'm a 40 year old man, if I were a woman I wouldn't take J&J or AstraZeneca, but as I'm a man, I think it's worth to take the risk of the side effects of the vaccination.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
Using a machete when you should be using a scalpel (though to be fair at the time it looked like a filet knife was the tool for the job) has been more or less how this pandemic has been handled since day 1. Why would that change now?
bilbo0s 6y ago
Now you have the logistical challenges of shipping 2 vaccines to some small town. One for the men, another for the women. Additionally, that town needs the not insubstantial refrigeration capabilities anyway. So what’s the point if you’re a public health admin? Just get the moderna or Pfizer and save yourself and your staff a lot of headache. The logistical benefits of J&J mean that it’s only logistically beneficial if it can be used for everyone.
- hedora 6y ago
  Better to write the town off to the pandemic. I mean, we’re in the middle of a fourth surge, so realistically, double digit percentages of the town are likely to get covid if we delay even a few weeks, but 10% of 0.5% the population dying from covid and increased spreading of the new variants are reasonable prices to pay to avoid 1 in a million side effects. We can make a statue for the people that die in the following weeks protecting the rest of us from the J&J vaccine. They’ll be heroes. Sorry. Really pissed off about this.
  - robrenaud 6y ago
    The informed old people are vaccinated already. The IFR is way down from around .5 percent. Still agree that covid is a way bigger threat than the J&J vaccine though.
  - t_sawyer 6y ago
    You think 10% of a towns population will die from COVID in a couple weeks? Has that percentage of people in any county in the USA actually died from COVID in over a year? Florida who has been pretty laissez-faire about COVID has 5,980 deaths in Miami-Dade County (their highest amount of deaths in a county). 2.717M population in 2019. 0.22% of their population.
    - robrenaud 6y ago
      He estimates an additional 10% (increased spread of covid infection due to change in vaccine policy) of .5% (death rate given covid infection) of a towns population will die from covid due to vaccine hesistancy.
      - bilbo0s 6y ago
        Only there is no vaccine hesitancy. Only public health admins saving themselves headaches by just using moderna or Pfizer in the first place. Since using J&J would require them to use moderna or Pfizer anyway.
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- bluGill 6y ago
  The towns small enough to only need one shipment are easy, just thaw some mRNA in the nearest big city and someone drives it out the morning of the vaccine clinic. The big enough cities to need many shipments can handle these logistic.
_wldu 6y ago
I wonder why all the clot victims are 100% female with J&J? Also, only 1/3 of Astra Zeneca clot victims are male: https://news.yahoo.com/astra-zeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-explained-115943638.html https://news.yahoo.com/astra-zeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-...
- Pyramus 6y ago
  They aren't - at least one out of nine patients with blood clots from AZ vaccine was male [1]. [1] https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-362354/v1 https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-362354/v1
- sudosteph 6y ago
  I'm only speculating, but serious blood clots are also known to be possible side effects of some forms of hormonal birth control. Given the relatively young ages of the women who had side effects on J&J, I would be really interested in learning if there could be a connection there.
xyzzyz 6y ago
Many more people will die as a result of stopping vaccination than they will of alleged side effects to some vaccines.
- xiphias2 6y ago
  They are not alleged at this point, they are real, and we have enough data that proves it. Using a language that pretends that vaccines can't have lethal side effects is just dividing people farther. It's all about the risk-reward calculation, which is still on the vaccine's side for most people. For a 18 year girl though it may be better to wait 2 weeks more for the Moderna / Pfizer vaccine in lockdown at home than to take the J&J or AstraZeneca. As an example my parents did the same thing (watching TV and using the elliptic machine for training, waiting 2-3 weeks more than their friends who got the Chinese vaccine).
  - Baeocystin 6y ago
    From what I understand, we have data that shows a few people per million have a serious health condition that appears to be similar in order of magnitude as the normal background rate of the same condition without the vaccine. As someone else in this thread said, isn't that (potentially) like someone getting hit by a car, then calling that a side-effect? When dealing with very large numbers of people, there's going to be deaths at all ages due to the normal vagaries of life. Do we have enough information to be certain that these clots are genuinely above the background rate?
    - xiphias2 6y ago
      What is the background rate of CVST / 2 weeks? I think it's significantky less that 1/million people
  - Igelau 6y ago
    > They are not alleged at this point, they are real, and we have enough data that proves it. What was it? 6 cases out of 7 million doses? That doesn't even look like a correlation, let alone a side effect.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

Using a machete when you should be using a scalpel (though to be fair at the time it looked like a filet knife was the tool for the job) has been more or less how this pandemic has been handled since day 1. Why would that change now?

bilbo0s 6y ago

Now you have the logistical challenges of shipping 2 vaccines to some small town. One for the men, another for the women. Additionally, that town needs the not insubstantial refrigeration capabilities anyway. So what’s the point if you’re a public health admin? Just get the moderna or Pfizer and save yourself and your staff a lot of headache. The logistical benefits of J&J mean that it’s only logistically beneficial if it can be used for everyone.

hedora 6y ago
Better to write the town off to the pandemic. I mean, we’re in the middle of a fourth surge, so realistically, double digit percentages of the town are likely to get covid if we delay even a few weeks, but 10% of 0.5% the population dying from covid and increased spreading of the new variants are reasonable prices to pay to avoid 1 in a million side effects. We can make a statue for the people that die in the following weeks protecting the rest of us from the J&J vaccine. They’ll be heroes. Sorry. Really pissed off about this.
- robrenaud 6y ago
  The informed old people are vaccinated already. The IFR is way down from around .5 percent. Still agree that covid is a way bigger threat than the J&J vaccine though.
- t_sawyer 6y ago
  You think 10% of a towns population will die from COVID in a couple weeks? Has that percentage of people in any county in the USA actually died from COVID in over a year? Florida who has been pretty laissez-faire about COVID has 5,980 deaths in Miami-Dade County (their highest amount of deaths in a county). 2.717M population in 2019. 0.22% of their population.
  - robrenaud 6y ago
    He estimates an additional 10% (increased spread of covid infection due to change in vaccine policy) of .5% (death rate given covid infection) of a towns population will die from covid due to vaccine hesistancy.
    - bilbo0s 6y ago
      Only there is no vaccine hesitancy. Only public health admins saving themselves headaches by just using moderna or Pfizer in the first place. Since using J&J would require them to use moderna or Pfizer anyway.
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bluGill 6y ago
The towns small enough to only need one shipment are easy, just thaw some mRNA in the nearest big city and someone drives it out the morning of the vaccine clinic. The big enough cities to need many shipments can handle these logistic.

_wldu 6y ago

I wonder why all the clot victims are 100% female with J&J? Also, only 1/3 of Astra Zeneca clot victims are male: https://news.yahoo.com/astra-zeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-explained-115943638.html https://news.yahoo.com/astra-zeneca-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-...

Pyramus 6y ago
They aren't - at least one out of nine patients with blood clots from AZ vaccine was male [1]. [1] https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-362354/v1 https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-362354/v1
sudosteph 6y ago
I'm only speculating, but serious blood clots are also known to be possible side effects of some forms of hormonal birth control. Given the relatively young ages of the women who had side effects on J&J, I would be really interested in learning if there could be a connection there.

xyzzyz 6y ago

Many more people will die as a result of stopping vaccination than they will of alleged side effects to some vaccines.

xiphias2 6y ago
They are not alleged at this point, they are real, and we have enough data that proves it. Using a language that pretends that vaccines can't have lethal side effects is just dividing people farther. It's all about the risk-reward calculation, which is still on the vaccine's side for most people. For a 18 year girl though it may be better to wait 2 weeks more for the Moderna / Pfizer vaccine in lockdown at home than to take the J&J or AstraZeneca. As an example my parents did the same thing (watching TV and using the elliptic machine for training, waiting 2-3 weeks more than their friends who got the Chinese vaccine).
- Baeocystin 6y ago
  From what I understand, we have data that shows a few people per million have a serious health condition that appears to be similar in order of magnitude as the normal background rate of the same condition without the vaccine. As someone else in this thread said, isn't that (potentially) like someone getting hit by a car, then calling that a side-effect? When dealing with very large numbers of people, there's going to be deaths at all ages due to the normal vagaries of life. Do we have enough information to be certain that these clots are genuinely above the background rate?
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    What is the background rate of CVST / 2 weeks? I think it's significantky less that 1/million people
- Igelau 6y ago
  > They are not alleged at this point, they are real, and we have enough data that proves it. What was it? 6 cases out of 7 million doses? That doesn't even look like a correlation, let alone a side effect.