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Note that in EU it also started with 7 cases ~1 month ago. Then doctors went through the records and now there are 200+ sick, 25 people dead from CVST alone (cl
by yread 6y ago
Note that in EU it also started with 7 cases ~1 month ago. Then doctors went through the records and now there are 200+ sick, 25 people dead from CVST alone (clotting that causes bleeding in the brain) with incidence in Norway 5 out of 130000 vaccinated. If you look at women only it will probably go even higher. And if you compare that to CFR from COVID for person <50 years old without diabetes and hypertension it will be within an order of magnitude
www.medscape.com/viewarticle/949108
- ceejayoz 6y ago> Then doctors went through the records and now there are 200+ sick, 25 people dead from CVST alone (clotting that causes bleeding in the brain) with incidence in Norway 5 out of 130000 vaccinated. Per https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVID-19/vaccine-tracker.html#distribution-tab https://vaccinetracker.ecdc.europa.eu/public/extensions/COVI..., that's 30M AZ doses. You're still talking about one in a million chance of death here. > And if you compare that to CFR from COVID for person <50 years old without diabetes and hypertension Add a few more exclusions and no one dies of COVID, sure.
- symlinkk 6y agoThe point he’s trying to make is that if you’re in a low risk group (let’s say under 30 for example) maybe it’s a better idea to just skip the vaccine.
- yread 6y agoI would still take the vaccine but the point I'm making is that it's serious enough to offer younger people some other vaccine, investigate why is it happening, how to fix it (use a different vector, adjuvant or dosage?) and roll it out safely. Call it version 1.1
- conistonwater 6y agoWait, that doesn't sound quite right: the benefit of taking the vaccine goes not only to you, it's also to the people you would have otherwise infected by spreading the virus yourself.
- loonster 6y agoAnd if they get infected, they will also become immune (and likely a better immunity than the vaccine).
- ceejayoz 6y agoOr, you know... die. Like 3M+ people have worldwide already.
- loonster 6y agoSome methods work on the numerator, other methods work on the denominator. Both will contribute to herd immunity.
- justapassenger 6y agoLong COVID, that vaccines seem to help with (but still need more study) disagrees with you.
- loonster 6y agoIvermectin is also a potential treatment for long covid. I personally feel much safer using one of the safest medicines known to mankind.
- davewritescode 6y agoI'm calling BS here. It's highly likely that natural infection provides worse protection that vaccination and we have real world evidence that already suggests this. 1. Two exposures to the spike protein are likely to create a much better long term immune response simply because of multiple exposures in a short period of time. 2. The spike protein produced by the mRNA and J&J vaccines is engineered to produce better response against variants. 3. We've already seen evidence of natural infection performing poorly in rural parts of Brazil with very high initial infection rates (> 70% which is near the herd immunity threshold) like Manaus where we're seeing significant evidence of reinfection where it should be have been difficult for COVID to spread. https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n394 https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n394
- rgbrenner 6y ago1 in a million chance of vaccine death for AZ. Maybe 1 in 10m for JJ. 0 in 10 for the mrna vaccines. 10 in a million chance of death from covid in the 5-9 age group (the lowest risk group) This is the perfect example of anti-vacc logic. They pick the latter because they heighten the risk of the former in their mind, while ignoring or downplaying the risk of the latter. Looking at the actual numbers, it makes no sense for anyone at any age to take their chances with covid over the vaccine.