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Bill Gates 501c3 puts back less than 1 percent off their benovelent humanitarian money back to the United States. The country that coddled him, an his connect

Bill Gates 501c3 puts back less than 1 percent off their benovelent humanitarian money back to the United States. The country that coddled him, an his connected mother. Personally, I think these good ole nonprofit boys; Billy, Zuck, Warren, etc. are tax dodgers. Obama wanted to reform nonprofit regulations, but chickened out.

adriancr 6y ago
Imagine if Microsoft were Chinese or Japanese or based in the EU. Would that have been better? Also, Bill Gates revolutionized the computer industry and brought a lot of wealth and power to the US and control of a good industry. The fact that he right now goes for diseases world wide is great, I would not want to die from Polio or Malaria, those disease can always make a comeback and spread like Covid... it would be better to have them eradicated entirely.
nindalf 6y ago
Yeah Bill Gates - terrible guy. Spending money trying to eradicate diseases that kill poor people. What's worse, here's him in 2015 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI) wasting money and faffing on about some pandemic. As if that's going to happen, and even if it does the pandemic won't affect rich countries in any way.
- dasil003 6y ago
  Sure I’ll give credit for his recent philanthropy, but the man crushed a generation of innovative software companies under his heel. Fortunately he didn’t see the web coming and failed to stop Linux, but make no mistake was not a good person for most of his career, and we are still feeling the effects of the damage he did to the software world.
  - Spivak 6y ago
    I know we’re in a form of technology people but to put it bluntly — nobody cares. Microsoft is a massive massive successes story for the US in which a US company has a dominant position in the world market for software. You forget that outside of tech everything that MS did that we rail on about will be remembered as good business. Nobody except people on the inside have these idealistic views about software and freedom and all that.
    - xivzgrev 6y ago
      I don’t agree - it was well known at the time. The Simpsons even had an episode about his competitiveness https://youtu.be/H27rfr59RiE https://youtu.be/H27rfr59RiE
  - jvanderbot 6y ago
    Being competitive and successful does not make someone a bad person. Being on the other side of open source does not either. You can't judge a person's character by these things. If you want to focus on just his business, initially, Gates was a tech hero, upsetting the incumbents as much as any modern disruptor. His company came to be known as a villian, was itself upset, and is going through a reinvention period during which I think they are doing really good things. But none of that should be about his character. He played the game and won, then got out and focused on more important things.
    - tomxor 6y ago
      > Being anti-competitive and successful makes someone a bad person. You can judge a person's character by these things. Corrected that for you. In all seriousness: I think Bill Gates is probably sincere in his philanthropy, but that the reason is emotional maturity and reflection... that and he's sitting on a fuck ton of money that one man can only squander if not put to better use.
      - jvanderbot 6y ago
        I'm fine if we disagree on this. I go back and forth myself. Ultimately, I believe we're applying too much hindsight to Gates middle years. The anti trust suits were well founded. Someday we'll demonize the Google guys and Zuck and everyone else in adtech. That's good. They played the game, won, we didn't like the outcome, so we change the game. That doesn't make them evil either, it makes them products of a system we asked for and supported and along the way they brought immense value. What became evil in all these cases was not the people, necessarily. What gets me is people who so vehemently hate that they talk about killing the person, not the business.
        aerique 6y ago
        People are already, rightfully, being very critical of Google, Zuckerberg and others. Just like we were back in the day of Microsoft. Are we going to applaud Zuckerberg in 20 years when he's going to use his money for good? He could already be doing good right now, instead of being a net-negative to the world, but he chooses to make billions instead.
  - seabird 6y ago
    Microsoft also gave countless thousands of people the opportunity to get into the field. I know it's easy to shit on them now, because we can look back and say that just about everybody then was an idiot by today's standards, but if you compare what your options were, Microsoft was by and away the best option for a lot of people getting started. I have an interest in what computers were like around 2000 (I didn't live it at the time, so I don't have any warm, fuzzy feelings towards any of these systems in particular), and as far as I've seen, you had three options: 1.) Proprietary UNIX vendors. Cheap workstations? Fuck you. OS without a support contract? Fuck you. First party compiler? Fuck you. These started to improve after 2000 with ports of open source tools, but most people would realistically be in way over their head price-wise unless they were accessing these systems through a university or workplace. 2.) Open source UNIX and UNIX-like systems. Linux was still pretty rough around the edges, and BSD derivatives were still pretty widespread. All said and done, you had to know these existed, know how to be involved in the community, and deal with the reality that the money just wasn't there yet. These options were not without compromise -- it would be years before Linux began making inroads in the "serious" deployment market. 3.) Microsoft. They did shitty things, but it was possible to get affordable development tools on affordable (and actually quite performant, all things considered) hardware, instead of needing tens of thousands of dollars for option 1 or being in the right place and time for option 2. Windows, VB, etc. causes lots of moaning and groaning today, but it had to have been magical at the time. Give them all a try on period accurate hardware, one after another. You will become acutely aware why people put up with Microsoft.
    - anthk 6y ago
      Eh, bullshit. By year 2000-2002 you could install Mandrake and SuSE with ease. And Windows and VC++ were expensive as fuck. In comparison, Mandrake was 30 EUR (~$35), which was a bargain. Also, later you could get the 4DVD Debian release for 20 EUR.
      - esyir 6y ago
        As of 2021, the year of the linux desktop still ain't here. PC users still choose windows over linux now, and this is after god know how many enhancements. In the 2000s, getting linux to work with wifi was a mess of command line commands and other PITAs that no normal users would put up with.
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  Here's an alternative perspective: https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-gl.... Bill Gates may want to eradicate disease, but he's not willing to give up on IP protection maximalism while doing so. Whether his approach is net-positive or net-negative remains to be seen.
  - Ambolia 6y ago
    Does he want to eradicate disease? Or does he want to influence the Health Markets heavily on which he probably has a lot of money invested, and make sure they move in directions that are beneficial to him, or that at least don't reduce his power. Maybe he doesn't even tell himself that, but works like that subconsciously.
    - adriancr 6y ago
      He'd be a a lot richer if he didn't start giving away the Microsoft stock he owned. (think 49% of Microsoft at current 2T valuation) It's doubtful he has ulterior motives as you say.
- Tiktaalik 6y ago
  You're falling for his scheme hook line and sinker. He spends a minor portion of his extreme wealth on good causes and charitywashes his bad reputation into being a "good guy." We then don't talk about the fact that we could go remarkably further on the same course if we took a much larger bulk of his wealth and put it toward similar objectives of reducing poverty, disease etc. This is of course nothing new. Robber barons did the same thing, which is why there's a Carnegie Library in my town etc.
  - solipsism 6y ago
    We then don't talk about the fact that we could go remarkably further on the same course if we took a much larger bulk of his wealth and put it toward similar objectives of reducing poverty, disease etc. Who could? You and I could? The government could? Honestly asking, I don't really know what you're saying. If that money went to the government a very small percentage of it would be used to reduce poverty and disease. A much higher percentage of it would be used to fund the military.
    - Tiktaalik 6y ago
      wow you're right I guess better things just aren't possible.
      - solipsism 5y ago
        It's possible. Like it's possible you will win the lottery tomorrow. I wouldn't count on it though.
  - JoshuaDavid 6y ago
    > He spends a minor portion of his extreme wealth on good causes and charitywashes his bad reputation into being a "good guy." Bill and Melinda Gates have pledged 95% of their wealth to charity. So far, they have given away about $45B, and have a remaining wealth of about $110B -- even if they didn't give away any more than that, that's still over 30%, which I don't know if I'd consider a "minor portion". How do you envision going significantly farther towards the objective of reducing poverty, disease etc than the Gates Foundation?
- jb775 6y ago
  The world would be better off if he didn't exist.
cableshaft 6y ago
Well that's because he's trying to stomp out Malaria, a problem the US doesn't have but is still a terrible thing that kills a lot of people (and especially children) every year. It's one of the biggest life-saving impacts he can make with the money on the planet. Not really disagreeing with you for anyone else, though.
plank_time 6y ago
You make a good point that I never thought about. People who donate their money get tax breaks because it’s sorting offsetting government spending. But if they donate to a charity that spends the money outside of the US, should they get the full benefit of that tax break? It’s an interesting question that I never thought about.
- dls2016 6y ago
  Or maybe one person/immediate family shouldn't be allowed to hoard such vast resources? Perhaps he should've been taxed more so that it can be disbursed by the usual means.
  - plank_time 6y ago
    No, that’s called socialism which most of the US is firmly against.
    - eevilspock 6y ago
      Go back in time and most of the US was firmly against something that we today consider morally righteous. e.g. LGBTQ rights, gender equality, abolition, that whites are not inherently superior to blacks, etc.
      - plank_time 6y ago
        I disagree with you that socialism will become popular but we will see. I know dozens of people who have lived through socialism and they hate it so much they voted for trump, even though they hate trump. I’m not talking rednecks from the south. I’m talking about Vietnamese, Chinese, Russians, Cubans, etc. I don’t think it’s going to take a foothold in the US but we will see. That’s what voting is for.
        eevilspock 6y ago
        That results from a navel-gazing view of history. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26590540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26590540
webdevadventure 6y ago
It should have been Gary Kildall's company.
gruez 6y ago
>Bill Gates 501c3 puts back less than 1 percent off their benovelent humanitarian money back to the United States. The country that coddled him, an his connected mother. This is just a thinly veiled way of saying "america first".
- jb775 6y ago
  How so exactly?
  - gruez 6y ago
    It's not obvious? "The needs of america should come first. Don't spend money on those other countries, spend money on the US instead".
    - jb775 6y ago
      That's how it should be. The point is Gates got rich off Americans, cashed in massive tax write-offs in the form of charity donations (taking away tax revenue from Americans), then those donations are used outside America. Now he wants Americans to listen to him because he thinks he knows best. Screw that guy.

adriancr 6y ago

Imagine if Microsoft were Chinese or Japanese or based in the EU. Would that have been better? Also, Bill Gates revolutionized the computer industry and brought a lot of wealth and power to the US and control of a good industry. The fact that he right now goes for diseases world wide is great, I would not want to die from Polio or Malaria, those disease can always make a comeback and spread like Covid... it would be better to have them eradicated entirely.

nindalf 6y ago

Yeah Bill Gates - terrible guy. Spending money trying to eradicate diseases that kill poor people. What's worse, here's him in 2015 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI) wasting money and faffing on about some pandemic. As if that's going to happen, and even if it does the pandemic won't affect rich countries in any way.

dasil003 6y ago
Sure I’ll give credit for his recent philanthropy, but the man crushed a generation of innovative software companies under his heel. Fortunately he didn’t see the web coming and failed to stop Linux, but make no mistake was not a good person for most of his career, and we are still feeling the effects of the damage he did to the software world.
- Spivak 6y ago
  I know we’re in a form of technology people but to put it bluntly — nobody cares. Microsoft is a massive massive successes story for the US in which a US company has a dominant position in the world market for software. You forget that outside of tech everything that MS did that we rail on about will be remembered as good business. Nobody except people on the inside have these idealistic views about software and freedom and all that.
  - xivzgrev 6y ago
    I don’t agree - it was well known at the time. The Simpsons even had an episode about his competitiveness https://youtu.be/H27rfr59RiE https://youtu.be/H27rfr59RiE
- jvanderbot 6y ago
  Being competitive and successful does not make someone a bad person. Being on the other side of open source does not either. You can't judge a person's character by these things. If you want to focus on just his business, initially, Gates was a tech hero, upsetting the incumbents as much as any modern disruptor. His company came to be known as a villian, was itself upset, and is going through a reinvention period during which I think they are doing really good things. But none of that should be about his character. He played the game and won, then got out and focused on more important things.
  - tomxor 6y ago
    > Being anti-competitive and successful makes someone a bad person. You can judge a person's character by these things. Corrected that for you. In all seriousness: I think Bill Gates is probably sincere in his philanthropy, but that the reason is emotional maturity and reflection... that and he's sitting on a fuck ton of money that one man can only squander if not put to better use.
    - jvanderbot 6y ago
      I'm fine if we disagree on this. I go back and forth myself. Ultimately, I believe we're applying too much hindsight to Gates middle years. The anti trust suits were well founded. Someday we'll demonize the Google guys and Zuck and everyone else in adtech. That's good. They played the game, won, we didn't like the outcome, so we change the game. That doesn't make them evil either, it makes them products of a system we asked for and supported and along the way they brought immense value. What became evil in all these cases was not the people, necessarily. What gets me is people who so vehemently hate that they talk about killing the person, not the business.
      - aerique 6y ago
        People are already, rightfully, being very critical of Google, Zuckerberg and others. Just like we were back in the day of Microsoft. Are we going to applaud Zuckerberg in 20 years when he's going to use his money for good? He could already be doing good right now, instead of being a net-negative to the world, but he chooses to make billions instead.
- seabird 6y ago
  Microsoft also gave countless thousands of people the opportunity to get into the field. I know it's easy to shit on them now, because we can look back and say that just about everybody then was an idiot by today's standards, but if you compare what your options were, Microsoft was by and away the best option for a lot of people getting started. I have an interest in what computers were like around 2000 (I didn't live it at the time, so I don't have any warm, fuzzy feelings towards any of these systems in particular), and as far as I've seen, you had three options: 1.) Proprietary UNIX vendors. Cheap workstations? Fuck you. OS without a support contract? Fuck you. First party compiler? Fuck you. These started to improve after 2000 with ports of open source tools, but most people would realistically be in way over their head price-wise unless they were accessing these systems through a university or workplace. 2.) Open source UNIX and UNIX-like systems. Linux was still pretty rough around the edges, and BSD derivatives were still pretty widespread. All said and done, you had to know these existed, know how to be involved in the community, and deal with the reality that the money just wasn't there yet. These options were not without compromise -- it would be years before Linux began making inroads in the "serious" deployment market. 3.) Microsoft. They did shitty things, but it was possible to get affordable development tools on affordable (and actually quite performant, all things considered) hardware, instead of needing tens of thousands of dollars for option 1 or being in the right place and time for option 2. Windows, VB, etc. causes lots of moaning and groaning today, but it had to have been magical at the time. Give them all a try on period accurate hardware, one after another. You will become acutely aware why people put up with Microsoft.
  - anthk 6y ago
    Eh, bullshit. By year 2000-2002 you could install Mandrake and SuSE with ease. And Windows and VC++ were expensive as fuck. In comparison, Mandrake was 30 EUR (~$35), which was a bargain. Also, later you could get the 4DVD Debian release for 20 EUR.
    - esyir 6y ago
      As of 2021, the year of the linux desktop still ain't here. PC users still choose windows over linux now, and this is after god know how many enhancements. In the 2000s, getting linux to work with wifi was a mess of command line commands and other PITAs that no normal users would put up with.
AlexandrB 6y ago
Here's an alternative perspective: https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-global-access-covid-vaccines https://newrepublic.com/article/162000/bill-gates-impeded-gl.... Bill Gates may want to eradicate disease, but he's not willing to give up on IP protection maximalism while doing so. Whether his approach is net-positive or net-negative remains to be seen.
- Ambolia 6y ago
  Does he want to eradicate disease? Or does he want to influence the Health Markets heavily on which he probably has a lot of money invested, and make sure they move in directions that are beneficial to him, or that at least don't reduce his power. Maybe he doesn't even tell himself that, but works like that subconsciously.
  - adriancr 6y ago
    He'd be a a lot richer if he didn't start giving away the Microsoft stock he owned. (think 49% of Microsoft at current 2T valuation) It's doubtful he has ulterior motives as you say.
Tiktaalik 6y ago
You're falling for his scheme hook line and sinker. He spends a minor portion of his extreme wealth on good causes and charitywashes his bad reputation into being a "good guy." We then don't talk about the fact that we could go remarkably further on the same course if we took a much larger bulk of his wealth and put it toward similar objectives of reducing poverty, disease etc. This is of course nothing new. Robber barons did the same thing, which is why there's a Carnegie Library in my town etc.
- solipsism 6y ago
  We then don't talk about the fact that we could go remarkably further on the same course if we took a much larger bulk of his wealth and put it toward similar objectives of reducing poverty, disease etc. Who could? You and I could? The government could? Honestly asking, I don't really know what you're saying. If that money went to the government a very small percentage of it would be used to reduce poverty and disease. A much higher percentage of it would be used to fund the military.
  - Tiktaalik 6y ago
    wow you're right I guess better things just aren't possible.
    - solipsism 5y ago
      It's possible. Like it's possible you will win the lottery tomorrow. I wouldn't count on it though.
- JoshuaDavid 6y ago
  > He spends a minor portion of his extreme wealth on good causes and charitywashes his bad reputation into being a "good guy." Bill and Melinda Gates have pledged 95% of their wealth to charity. So far, they have given away about $45B, and have a remaining wealth of about $110B -- even if they didn't give away any more than that, that's still over 30%, which I don't know if I'd consider a "minor portion". How do you envision going significantly farther towards the objective of reducing poverty, disease etc than the Gates Foundation?
jb775 6y ago
The world would be better off if he didn't exist.

cableshaft 6y ago

Well that's because he's trying to stomp out Malaria, a problem the US doesn't have but is still a terrible thing that kills a lot of people (and especially children) every year. It's one of the biggest life-saving impacts he can make with the money on the planet. Not really disagreeing with you for anyone else, though.

plank_time 6y ago

You make a good point that I never thought about. People who donate their money get tax breaks because it’s sorting offsetting government spending. But if they donate to a charity that spends the money outside of the US, should they get the full benefit of that tax break? It’s an interesting question that I never thought about.

dls2016 6y ago
Or maybe one person/immediate family shouldn't be allowed to hoard such vast resources? Perhaps he should've been taxed more so that it can be disbursed by the usual means.
- plank_time 6y ago
  No, that’s called socialism which most of the US is firmly against.
  - eevilspock 6y ago
    Go back in time and most of the US was firmly against something that we today consider morally righteous. e.g. LGBTQ rights, gender equality, abolition, that whites are not inherently superior to blacks, etc.
    - plank_time 6y ago
      I disagree with you that socialism will become popular but we will see. I know dozens of people who have lived through socialism and they hate it so much they voted for trump, even though they hate trump. I’m not talking rednecks from the south. I’m talking about Vietnamese, Chinese, Russians, Cubans, etc. I don’t think it’s going to take a foothold in the US but we will see. That’s what voting is for.
      - eevilspock 6y ago
        That results from a navel-gazing view of history. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26590540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26590540

webdevadventure 6y ago

It should have been Gary Kildall's company.

gruez 6y ago

>Bill Gates 501c3 puts back less than 1 percent off their benovelent humanitarian money back to the United States. The country that coddled him, an his connected mother. This is just a thinly veiled way of saying "america first".

jb775 6y ago
How so exactly?
- gruez 6y ago
  It's not obvious? "The needs of america should come first. Don't spend money on those other countries, spend money on the US instead".
  - jb775 6y ago
    That's how it should be. The point is Gates got rich off Americans, cashed in massive tax write-offs in the form of charity donations (taking away tax revenue from Americans), then those donations are used outside America. Now he wants Americans to listen to him because he thinks he knows best. Screw that guy.