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To copy one I already wrote for a different comment: To go into one I'm really familiar with: light bulbs are fine after banning incandescent bulbs. LED bulbs

by caslon 6y ago

To copy one I already wrote for a different comment: To go into one I'm really familiar with: light bulbs are fine after banning incandescent bulbs. LED bulbs (which were still available at time of the regulations) are better than incandescent bulbs in nearly every way, as long as you don't cheap out and go for one that flickers at under the rate of an incandescent. The problem is poor consumer education, not government regulations. The consumer is stupid, which is a problem even the FEE would agree on.

jtbayly 6y ago
Sure. As long as you were super rich. They were $10-$15 per 60W equivalent bulb and you couldn't get ones that were 90W equivalent. The only bulbs that were remotely close to affordable were CFLs that were terrible. And you know what? The LED bulbs I've owned don't last 10k hours, either. Edit: And now they are selling light fixtures with the LED's integrated and non-replaceable. So when the bulb goes out you have to throw the fixture out and replace the whole stupid thing. Talk about land-fill increase. Not to mention the risk of electrocution and/or fire from consumers trying to do wiring themselves, or the waste of paying an electrician to replace your light bulb...
- caslon 6y ago
  > Edit: And now they are selling light fixtures with the LED's integrated and non-replaceable. Market!
  - jtbayly 6y ago
    You claimed light bulbs were just fine when the gov regulations came in. They weren't. It would be nice if you would admit it instead of just misdirecting the conversation. But to reply to your misdirection, the integrated LED bulbs are downwind from the government regulation, which was propped up by lies from people like you who claimed that LED bulbs would last functionally forever. Edit: Somebody also claimed that the new gas cans are just fine. I think you guys are just gaslighting me. I'm out.
Ancapistani 6y ago
> light bulbs are fine after banning incandescent bulbs. LED bulbs (which were still available at time of the regulations) are better than incandescent bulbs in nearly every way, as long as you don't cheap out and go for one that flickers at under the rate of an incandescent. LEDs are superior now, but not when incandescents were de facto banned. They would be superior now without the regulation, and would have supplanted incandescents. What regulation got us were compact fluorescents - more toxic, more wasteful, and more fragile than incandescents - in the interim.

by caslon 6y ago

jtbayly 6y ago

Sure. As long as you were super rich. They were $10-$15 per 60W equivalent bulb and you couldn't get ones that were 90W equivalent. The only bulbs that were remotely close to affordable were CFLs that were terrible. And you know what? The LED bulbs I've owned don't last 10k hours, either. Edit: And now they are selling light fixtures with the LED's integrated and non-replaceable. So when the bulb goes out you have to throw the fixture out and replace the whole stupid thing. Talk about land-fill increase. Not to mention the risk of electrocution and/or fire from consumers trying to do wiring themselves, or the waste of paying an electrician to replace your light bulb...

caslon 6y ago
> Edit: And now they are selling light fixtures with the LED's integrated and non-replaceable. Market!
- jtbayly 6y ago
  You claimed light bulbs were just fine when the gov regulations came in. They weren't. It would be nice if you would admit it instead of just misdirecting the conversation. But to reply to your misdirection, the integrated LED bulbs are downwind from the government regulation, which was propped up by lies from people like you who claimed that LED bulbs would last functionally forever. Edit: Somebody also claimed that the new gas cans are just fine. I think you guys are just gaslighting me. I'm out.

Ancapistani 6y ago

> light bulbs are fine after banning incandescent bulbs. LED bulbs (which were still available at time of the regulations) are better than incandescent bulbs in nearly every way, as long as you don't cheap out and go for one that flickers at under the rate of an incandescent. LEDs are superior now, but not when incandescents were de facto banned. They would be superior now without the regulation, and would have supplanted incandescents. What regulation got us were compact fluorescents - more toxic, more wasteful, and more fragile than incandescents - in the interim.