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Not a doctor, but from what I've heard from immunologists, vaccines in general are incredibly unlikely to have long-term side effects on the scales that you thi
by majewsky 6y ago
Not a doctor, but from what I've heard from immunologists, vaccines in general are incredibly unlikely to have long-term side effects on the scales that you think about. When an immunologist talks about "long-term side effects" of a vaccination, they're usually considering time ranges on the order of 6-8 weeks. Meanwhile, the 10000s of patients from the big Phase 3 trials have been vaccinated for 6-9 months, so the usual scale of long-term side effects has long been registered.
That's not to say that it's completely out of the question that there will be long-long-term side effects. But if anything is going to cause long-term issues, my money is on the virus, not any vaccine.
- Solstinox 6y agoThe only reason we think that is because vaccines in the past have had most of their recorded side effects present in the first few weeks. Past performance...
- ceejayoz 6y ago... is a pretty decent indicator in this case. Vaccines are not the stock market. No one doubts gravity because "past performance is not indicative of future results".
- Solstinox 6y agoI don’t think gravity and medical intervention risk and uncertainty are in the same domain. I could be wrong.
- dnautics 6y ago> Vaccines are not the stock market How many genetically engineered adenovirus vaccines have there been before? The vaccines that are your prior are typically attenuated or inactivated virus. Majorly different category, we are in untreaded space (I'm still planning on getting one)
- Ericson2314 6y agoYou realize attenuated virusues are also genetically modified? Just via artificial selection.
- lbeltrame 6y agoAt least one for Ebola, IIRC.
- loceng 6y agomRNA vaccines are a new way to cause the body to develop an immune response - it's not using dead/deactivated tissue of the virus that the body detects and then its holistic system develops a response to. From my current understanding with this new type of vaccine it's skipping step(s), bypassing mechanisms, that leads to the body producing something that targets the "spike" of the virus - basically making it inoperable. I don't think we know long-term how this may impact the immune system: does bypassing certain systems/mechanisms cause other problems with future immune response? It took how long for us to realize as common sense that use of antibiotics allows superbugs to more likely evolve?
- laurensr 6y agoPast success is an invalid indicator on the stock market as well
- cheph 6y ago> Not a doctor, but from what I've heard from immunologists, vaccines in general are incredibly unlikely to have long-term side effects on the scales that you think about. Fair enough, but the comment I responded to said: "We know that there are no side effects that are common enough to be of real concern." Given this statement is not qualified for timescale, I want to know what the basis for it is. How does the person who made it know there are no side effects on the order of six months or a year that are common enough to be a concern? Look I am all happy chappy with the vaccine, I will inject that sweet MRNA Pfizer or Moderna vaccines as soon as someone lets me at it, but I still think we need to avoid what Fauci does, which is knowingly lie in order to get people to do what we want them to do. There is blood clotting risk from AZ? Great, tell me what the risk is and I can deal with it, but lie to me and we are done talking.
- nightski 6y agomRNA has a short life span. It merely tricks the body into producing the spike protein. It breaks down in the body fairly rapidly. What long term effects would you anticipate from this? There is a good chance for long term effects from covid. Completely the opposite for the vaccine.
- cheph 6y ago> What long term effects would you anticipate from this? Maybe you are responding to the wrong person? I never made any claims regarding what long term effects to anticipate. I asked how the person I responded to know there are no serious side effects on time scales longer than we have tested things on. > There is a good chance for long term effects from covid. Completely the opposite for the vaccine. Yes. I know.
- peytn 6y agoI think the concerns would be around the delivery vehicle, which presumably is some big polycationic lipid thing. From what I can gather, there’s not terribly much info on what’s known about what’s going into people’s bodies, and what info does exist has arisen from a thick soup of trade secrets and conflicts-of-interest.
- dr-detroit 6y agoIt was researched as quickly as possible on a for-profit basis. All my friends from college who went into biomed quit because of how corrupt it was and they would start with a profitable hypothesis and work backwards its antiscience and honestly capitalism has a proven track record of poising everyone and anyone to make a penny.
- throwawayboise 6y agoThe mRNA vaccines are new. We don't know that our experience with other vaccine types will be exactly the same.