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I thought the actions of anonymous did have ideals. They were protecting free speech through disobedience. I've seen 4 chan. Its no more than the corner teenag

I thought the actions of anonymous did have ideals. They were protecting free speech through disobedience. I've seen 4 chan. Its no more than the corner teenagers playing around. They may once in a while break a window, or inconvenience some person, but they do not go to steal banks, or hit a police officer. All that is metaphors obviously, perhaps imperfect metaphors. All I am saying is that I, we, do not know who or what Lulsecs is. Anonymous is everyone. You can apparently just enlist your computer towards some action. Lulzsecs is who? Considering what happened to wikileaks why is there no probability, though slight, that it may be some dirty trick? For example, anonymous is everyone right? Yet this guy who has been arrested, the "lulzsec mastermind", is apparently someone who has connections with anonymous. Moreover, since lulzec appears to logically have no motive to take such a grave risk, as shown by someone who just got arrested individual and may possibly rot in jail, but many groups have an interest to get rid of anonymous, thus would want to blur the lines and sway the public opinion, I think there is at least some probability that they have been either corrupted or are affiliated. I'd rather keep an open mind. We'll probably learn much more once this Lulzsec guy goes to trial, hopefully here in Britain, rather than extradited to some extrajurisdictional American prison, or offered a job in some company.

mquander 15y ago
- 4channers have been sitting around DDOSing and defacing websites recreationally for years. The only difference here is that the websites are big organizations instead of some poor dude's message board or personal site, and that might seem like a big difference to you, but I don't think it seems like a big difference to the folks involved. - I don't know what the mystery is here about "who or what Lulzsec is" or about "Anonymous is everyone." It's a bunch of teenagers on IRC, not a shadowy order of the shadows. It's pretty much the same guys every time, with people popping in and out. - What does this have to do with Wikileaks, even tangentially? The fact that it's on a computer and the government doesn't like it? - It's surprising that LulzSec has "connections" with Anonymous? The name of their group is "LulzSec" and their Twitter mascot is the 4chan monocle guy! Where did you think they came from, thin air? This whole thing looks so completely ordinary to me that I don't see any reason to postulate foul play.

mquander 15y ago

- 4channers have been sitting around DDOSing and defacing websites recreationally for years. The only difference here is that the websites are big organizations instead of some poor dude's message board or personal site, and that might seem like a big difference to you, but I don't think it seems like a big difference to the folks involved. - I don't know what the mystery is here about "who or what Lulzsec is" or about "Anonymous is everyone." It's a bunch of teenagers on IRC, not a shadowy order of the shadows. It's pretty much the same guys every time, with people popping in and out. - What does this have to do with Wikileaks, even tangentially? The fact that it's on a computer and the government doesn't like it? - It's surprising that LulzSec has "connections" with Anonymous? The name of their group is "LulzSec" and their Twitter mascot is the 4chan monocle guy! Where did you think they came from, thin air? This whole thing looks so completely ordinary to me that I don't see any reason to postulate foul play.