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Which politician(s) do you favour if not Navalny?

by phpnode 5y ago

kolla 5y ago
Doubt it matters, Russians have no choice. Putin will rule until he is dead.
- anticodon 5y ago
  It's purely a Western (USA) view that this is a bad thing (although not even European leaders change that often). I'd love to see Putin rule for many more years because I don't see any sane alternative. Why would I want him to be replaced with somebody else, especially inept and low-brow Navalny?..
  - gambiting 5y ago
    >> I'd love to see Putin rule for many more years because I don't see any sane alternative Does it ever occur to you that it's exactly by design?
    - 3v1n0 5y ago
      Yeah: has anyone ever made possible for any alternative to rise?
anticodon 5y ago
Frankly, we don't have a choice. I favour Putin, but mostly because there's no alternative. There's not a single opposition leader that is trustworthy and competent. But it's not like Putin is a bad leader. Maybe the lack of choice is due to his actions, but he's doing lots of good things for Russia. For me, clear sign of this is how he's hated by the western media. Bad Russian leaders are loved by western media (e.g. Gorbachev, Yeltsin) and good ones are hated.
- acd10j 5y ago
  People like you are the reason you don't have any choise, World is increasing turning to dictators, same thing is being propogated in India in form of Modi, anyone else is being ridiculed.
  - anticodon 5y ago
    I don't know anything about India politics and I don't think it's equal to Russian politics. Anyway, I can't compare. But I don't think I'm the reason for Modi or people like me. It's a different situation. E.g. Modi is nationalist and Putin isn't. Modi is pushing one predominant religion and Putin isn't. Etc.
    - 3v1n0 5y ago
      Can you please define Putin political view in short?
      - anticodon 5y ago
        No, I don't see how it is possible. First of all, West and East use different metrics and different words for describing political views. E.g. "left" in US and "left" in Russia are very different things (also, "left" and "right" are almost not used in Russia). I happen to remember USSR collapse, then the awful years of Yeltsin, when everything went to hell: economy was dead, crime rate went through the roof - there were shootings every day on the streets, suicide rate went through the roof, population started to decline because people didn't want to have children (or didn't have means to raise children), millions were starving to death. And I remember how this started to change almost the next day after the first election of Putin. No more street shootings and businessmen cars explosions. Corruption started to wither (and continues to this day). Not only old buildings stopped to deteriorate, but new buildings, roads and bridges started to appear everywhere. In short, just about every metric you can measure started to improve under Putin's rule. Except maybe some "freedom of speech" which is almost unimportant to me. I remember that "freedom of speech" was used to calumniate Russian past and present in 90s, I don't remember a single good thing caused by "freedom of speech" in 90s. Bunch of freaks were allowed to speak on TV and other media, what they said caused only strong negative emotions in everyone. It was obvious that it had nothing to do with making our life better.

Which politician(s) do you favour if not Navalny?

kolla 5y ago

Doubt it matters, Russians have no choice. Putin will rule until he is dead.

anticodon 5y ago
It's purely a Western (USA) view that this is a bad thing (although not even European leaders change that often). I'd love to see Putin rule for many more years because I don't see any sane alternative. Why would I want him to be replaced with somebody else, especially inept and low-brow Navalny?..
- gambiting 5y ago
  >> I'd love to see Putin rule for many more years because I don't see any sane alternative Does it ever occur to you that it's exactly by design?
  - 3v1n0 5y ago
    Yeah: has anyone ever made possible for any alternative to rise?

anticodon 5y ago

Frankly, we don't have a choice. I favour Putin, but mostly because there's no alternative. There's not a single opposition leader that is trustworthy and competent. But it's not like Putin is a bad leader. Maybe the lack of choice is due to his actions, but he's doing lots of good things for Russia. For me, clear sign of this is how he's hated by the western media. Bad Russian leaders are loved by western media (e.g. Gorbachev, Yeltsin) and good ones are hated.

acd10j 5y ago
People like you are the reason you don't have any choise, World is increasing turning to dictators, same thing is being propogated in India in form of Modi, anyone else is being ridiculed.
- anticodon 5y ago
  I don't know anything about India politics and I don't think it's equal to Russian politics. Anyway, I can't compare. But I don't think I'm the reason for Modi or people like me. It's a different situation. E.g. Modi is nationalist and Putin isn't. Modi is pushing one predominant religion and Putin isn't. Etc.
  - 3v1n0 5y ago
    Can you please define Putin political view in short?
    - anticodon 5y ago
      No, I don't see how it is possible. First of all, West and East use different metrics and different words for describing political views. E.g. "left" in US and "left" in Russia are very different things (also, "left" and "right" are almost not used in Russia). I happen to remember USSR collapse, then the awful years of Yeltsin, when everything went to hell: economy was dead, crime rate went through the roof - there were shootings every day on the streets, suicide rate went through the roof, population started to decline because people didn't want to have children (or didn't have means to raise children), millions were starving to death. And I remember how this started to change almost the next day after the first election of Putin. No more street shootings and businessmen cars explosions. Corruption started to wither (and continues to this day). Not only old buildings stopped to deteriorate, but new buildings, roads and bridges started to appear everywhere. In short, just about every metric you can measure started to improve under Putin's rule. Except maybe some "freedom of speech" which is almost unimportant to me. I remember that "freedom of speech" was used to calumniate Russian past and present in 90s, I don't remember a single good thing caused by "freedom of speech" in 90s. Bunch of freaks were allowed to speak on TV and other media, what they said caused only strong negative emotions in everyone. It was obvious that it had nothing to do with making our life better.