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Half of that is caused by their own past decisions and the other half by their own present decision to not put 100% of their effort into changing it. >being po

by noxer 6y ago

Half of that is caused by their own past decisions and the other half by their own present decision to not put 100% of their effort into changing it. >being poor is the single most powerful force that prevents people from doing that. IMO absolutely wrong. The real reason is people dont try and risk it all. And they search for reasons why they would not be able to make it, including the oh so unfair starting points in this "game". Yes its unfair very very unfair even. But it is so for almost everyone. And more importantly it can not be changed and even if it would, it would not retroactively have an effect on existing people. Everyone has one life and the number one reason to not reach a set goal is if it was not set and not attempted. You can make up all the good reasons why you would not attempt it because life is unfair but that doesn't change the fact that you yourself reduced your chance to reach it to zero by your own decision to let circumvention stop you from trying. >Because they have no access to support network, so when they fail, they fall all the way to bottom. Failing is an possibility if you try, if you dont, its certain. Also what exactly is so "scary" about failing? Do people think they end up homeless under a bridge or something? I see a practically zero chance that could ever happen to someone who fights. You need to have some serious mental health problems and probably drugs to fall this deep. And given that health in unfair too you may get this anyway so even more reason to get yourself in a poison where health problems wont make you fall to the bottom. Ive financially failed before, as long as zero is the bottom (I dont make debts) is just a setback its not stopping me. I certainly had a good start in life but money was never given to me. I started form zero as a teenager and I almost went back to zero in my early twenties partially do to circumstances outside of my control partially due to bad decisions. I could have another 50 years trying so why would that stop me. My goals a higher than ever and the speed at which I chase them only got faster.

EliRivers 6y ago
Also what exactly is so "scary" about failing? Do people think they end up homeless under a bridge or something? I see a practically zero chance that could ever happen to someone who fights. You need to have some serious mental health problems and probably drugs to fall this deep. Well this is just not true. You have a fantasy view of life that does not ally with reality.
- noxer 6y ago
  So you think you could end up homeless under a bridge even trough you would do everything you can do avoid that? I dont think so. Long time homeless people are a very niche type of persons that "gave up" for whatever reason. Usually mental health, age, drugs. I worked for 2 year with someone who was homeless for a few months. The reason he wasn't anymore and other still are is solely his own actions. But he was young didn't do hard drugs and had the will to do whatever it takes to get out.
  - EliRivers 6y ago
    I think you've changed what you were talking about. Suddenly you're talking about "long term" homeless, which makes me think you realised you made a mistake and now are backtracking. I see that you're also presenting one single case known to you; this is effectively meaningless, and you know it.
    - noxer 6y ago
      No, I talked about the risk of becoming homeless due to striving for wealth and total failure on the way. I see this risk as extremely minimal, not because people can get out of homelessness or only experience "shot term homelessness", but because I dont think you ever end up in this situation in the first place. Going 100% at becoming wealthy doesn't mean you turn stupid and irresponsible and also loose any friend and everything that could keep you afloat if you totally fail. That's just not realistic. The example I bough up may be anecdotal but It wasn't mean to show that people can get out of homelessness if they mess up and end there but rather to underline my argument that homelessness in general is only an "option" for a very niche type of person. There are also way way less female homeless people and it certainly isn't because females are somehow more capable to avoid total failure. The person I worked with was homeless due to his family abandoning him (they where part of a religious sect) before he ever had the chance to stand on his own feet. But he was not the type of person that would accept homelessness and that's the sole reason he isn't anymore. In the end people are scared to fall really low by trying to go high but while you indeed fall longer and further down when you fall from high you dont really end up lower. It just hurts more especially if you worked very hard to get up. With the exception of age/metal decline and health problems you very very likely get back up higher than where you started no matter what causes you to fail.

by noxer 6y ago

EliRivers 6y ago

Also what exactly is so "scary" about failing? Do people think they end up homeless under a bridge or something? I see a practically zero chance that could ever happen to someone who fights. You need to have some serious mental health problems and probably drugs to fall this deep. Well this is just not true. You have a fantasy view of life that does not ally with reality.

noxer 6y ago
So you think you could end up homeless under a bridge even trough you would do everything you can do avoid that? I dont think so. Long time homeless people are a very niche type of persons that "gave up" for whatever reason. Usually mental health, age, drugs. I worked for 2 year with someone who was homeless for a few months. The reason he wasn't anymore and other still are is solely his own actions. But he was young didn't do hard drugs and had the will to do whatever it takes to get out.
- EliRivers 6y ago
  I think you've changed what you were talking about. Suddenly you're talking about "long term" homeless, which makes me think you realised you made a mistake and now are backtracking. I see that you're also presenting one single case known to you; this is effectively meaningless, and you know it.
  - noxer 6y ago
    No, I talked about the risk of becoming homeless due to striving for wealth and total failure on the way. I see this risk as extremely minimal, not because people can get out of homelessness or only experience "shot term homelessness", but because I dont think you ever end up in this situation in the first place. Going 100% at becoming wealthy doesn't mean you turn stupid and irresponsible and also loose any friend and everything that could keep you afloat if you totally fail. That's just not realistic. The example I bough up may be anecdotal but It wasn't mean to show that people can get out of homelessness if they mess up and end there but rather to underline my argument that homelessness in general is only an "option" for a very niche type of person. There are also way way less female homeless people and it certainly isn't because females are somehow more capable to avoid total failure. The person I worked with was homeless due to his family abandoning him (they where part of a religious sect) before he ever had the chance to stand on his own feet. But he was not the type of person that would accept homelessness and that's the sole reason he isn't anymore. In the end people are scared to fall really low by trying to go high but while you indeed fall longer and further down when you fall from high you dont really end up lower. It just hurts more especially if you worked very hard to get up. With the exception of age/metal decline and health problems you very very likely get back up higher than where you started no matter what causes you to fail.