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Look for a company who's business model includes uptime, security and scalability. And is big enough to not outsource those parts. And in a mature market where

by z3t4 6y ago

Look for a company who's business model includes uptime, security and scalability. And is big enough to not outsource those parts. And in a mature market where customers can tell the difference.

jeffbee 6y ago
Also look at their job ads. If they are looking to hire a devops to own their ci/cd pipeline, that means they don’t have one (and, with that approach, will never have one).
Cthulhu_ 6y ago
I once worked for a company that tried to set up a new service, they asked for 99.99999% uptime. This worked really well for the 'ops' team which focused on the AWS setup and automation, but meanwhile the developers (of which I was one, but I didn't have any say in things because I was 'just' a front-ender) fucked about with microservices, first built in NodeJS (with a postgres database storing mostly JSON blobs behind them), then in Scala. Not because it was the best solution (neither microservices nor scala), but because the developers wanted to, and the guys responsible for hiring were Afraid that they'd get mediocre developers if they went for 'just' java. I'm just so tired of the whole microservices and prima donna developer bullshit.
- feoren 6y ago
  99.99999% uptime is about 3 seconds of downtime per year. Yikes! Does any service on Earth have that level of uptime?
  - scottlamb 6y ago
    No. In some sense it doesn't matter though. There are plenty of services that have less than their claimed reliability: * They set an easy measurement that doesn't match customer experience, so they say they're in-SLO when common sense suggests otherwise. * They require customers jump through hoops to get a credit after a major incident. * The credits are often not total and/or are tiered by reliability (so you could have a 100% uptime and not give a 100% discount if you serve some errors). At the very most, they give the customer a free month. It's not as if they make the customer whole on their lost revenue. With a standard industry SLA, you can have a profitable business claiming uptime you never ever achieve.

by z3t4 6y ago

Look for a company who's business model includes uptime, security and scalability. And is big enough to not outsource those parts. And in a mature market where customers can tell the difference.

jeffbee 6y ago

Also look at their job ads. If they are looking to hire a devops to own their ci/cd pipeline, that means they don’t have one (and, with that approach, will never have one).

Cthulhu_ 6y ago

I once worked for a company that tried to set up a new service, they asked for 99.99999% uptime. This worked really well for the 'ops' team which focused on the AWS setup and automation, but meanwhile the developers (of which I was one, but I didn't have any say in things because I was 'just' a front-ender) fucked about with microservices, first built in NodeJS (with a postgres database storing mostly JSON blobs behind them), then in Scala. Not because it was the best solution (neither microservices nor scala), but because the developers wanted to, and the guys responsible for hiring were Afraid that they'd get mediocre developers if they went for 'just' java. I'm just so tired of the whole microservices and prima donna developer bullshit.

feoren 6y ago
99.99999% uptime is about 3 seconds of downtime per year. Yikes! Does any service on Earth have that level of uptime?
- scottlamb 6y ago
  No. In some sense it doesn't matter though. There are plenty of services that have less than their claimed reliability: * They set an easy measurement that doesn't match customer experience, so they say they're in-SLO when common sense suggests otherwise. * They require customers jump through hoops to get a credit after a major incident. * The credits are often not total and/or are tiered by reliability (so you could have a 100% uptime and not give a 100% discount if you serve some errors). At the very most, they give the customer a free month. It's not as if they make the customer whole on their lost revenue. With a standard industry SLA, you can have a profitable business claiming uptime you never ever achieve.