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she could be, we don't know (at least I don't know) and since I don't know, I prefer to stay on the cautious side. For example Harvard law professor Alan Dersh

she could be, we don't know (at least I don't know) and since I don't know, I prefer to stay on the cautious side. For example Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz has now sued the woman in federal court in New York, claiming that her allegations are “lies, disparagement, defamation, harassment” that are “beyond the bounds of decency and not tolerated in civilized society.” [...] Dershowitz repeated his previous claims that Virginia Roberts Giuffre was “pressured to falsely accuse Dershowitz” by her lawyers, namely the law firm headed by renowned attorney David Boies. I can't honestly say who's right and who's lying.

solosoyokaze 5y ago
As someone who has followed the case closely, I have no problem saying I believe Giuffre. She's hardly the only Epstein victim and there's plenty of photo evidence backing up many of her other claims.
- africanboy 5y ago
  who said anything about Epstein? I believe Epstein did it, Stallam believes Epstein did it too (he wrote it in the thread), there's no doubt about it. Another thing entirely is the other accusations, we can't assume that every accusation is true until proven otherwise by a court of the law (except for Minsky who's dead). That's why I support Stallman reasoning, a chain of criminal events can't be assumed on someone's saying, it must be proven or we go back to inquisition, especially if one of the accused is dead, can't defend himslef and it's the smallest fish in the pond. I get these are all powerful men and have the means to protect themselves, but they have the right to be presumed innocent nonetheless. Having followed the case myself, I wonder why nobody is talking about Wexner, former CEO of the Victoria's secret empire that was built thanks to the close friendhsip with Epstein and who's still on an honorary president's chair. > L Brands executives were reportedly made aware, in the mid-1990s, that Epstein was posing as a modeling recruiter for the company. Although they alerted Wexner, he seems to have taken no action An why Boies talked to Wexner (they now say it was his lawyer) and forced the judge to remove him and after the court removed Boies and his team Giuffre hired his opponent in the gay marriage trial that made Boies popular? > Boies and his entire team from Boies Schiller Flexner were removed from the New York case in October after judge Loretta Preska determined that he had become a witness in the suit and, as such, could no longer advocate on Giuffre’s behalf. > Charles J. Cooper replaced David Boies, his opponent in a California gay marriage case argued before the Supreme Court, as a lawyer for Virginia Roberts Giuffre in her federal defamation lawsuit against Dershowitz. The case is now an O.J. Simpson scale event, I think we will know more only after the next hearings. I am simply being cautious, I am not dismissing Giuffre, in my opinion things are too complicated to throw judgements around, one way or the other (except, as we have established, for Epstein). I also don't believe Wexner can be the only Epstein's client. If we look at the case in its entirety, what Stallman did or didn't do it's meaningless. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article245017205.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article245017... (sorry for the late answer, I was rate limited)

solosoyokaze 5y ago

As someone who has followed the case closely, I have no problem saying I believe Giuffre. She's hardly the only Epstein victim and there's plenty of photo evidence backing up many of her other claims.

africanboy 5y ago
who said anything about Epstein? I believe Epstein did it, Stallam believes Epstein did it too (he wrote it in the thread), there's no doubt about it. Another thing entirely is the other accusations, we can't assume that every accusation is true until proven otherwise by a court of the law (except for Minsky who's dead). That's why I support Stallman reasoning, a chain of criminal events can't be assumed on someone's saying, it must be proven or we go back to inquisition, especially if one of the accused is dead, can't defend himslef and it's the smallest fish in the pond. I get these are all powerful men and have the means to protect themselves, but they have the right to be presumed innocent nonetheless. Having followed the case myself, I wonder why nobody is talking about Wexner, former CEO of the Victoria's secret empire that was built thanks to the close friendhsip with Epstein and who's still on an honorary president's chair. > L Brands executives were reportedly made aware, in the mid-1990s, that Epstein was posing as a modeling recruiter for the company. Although they alerted Wexner, he seems to have taken no action An why Boies talked to Wexner (they now say it was his lawyer) and forced the judge to remove him and after the court removed Boies and his team Giuffre hired his opponent in the gay marriage trial that made Boies popular? > Boies and his entire team from Boies Schiller Flexner were removed from the New York case in October after judge Loretta Preska determined that he had become a witness in the suit and, as such, could no longer advocate on Giuffre’s behalf. > Charles J. Cooper replaced David Boies, his opponent in a California gay marriage case argued before the Supreme Court, as a lawyer for Virginia Roberts Giuffre in her federal defamation lawsuit against Dershowitz. The case is now an O.J. Simpson scale event, I think we will know more only after the next hearings. I am simply being cautious, I am not dismissing Giuffre, in my opinion things are too complicated to throw judgements around, one way or the other (except, as we have established, for Epstein). I also don't believe Wexner can be the only Epstein's client. If we look at the case in its entirety, what Stallman did or didn't do it's meaningless. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article245017205.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article245017... (sorry for the late answer, I was rate limited)