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It's not that they don't deserve it, it's that it's ironic.
by savanaly 6y ago
It's not that they don't deserve it, it's that it's ironic.
- optimuspaul 6y agoit's not ironic if you really understand socialism.
- parineum 6y agoPatreon seems like a very libertarian environment to me. I'm not sure how I could see it any differently.
- loopercal 6y agoA lot of the original libertarians were...socialists. The term today has been rebranded to mean strictly anarcho-capitalists but it originally included anarcho-communists and libertarian socialists.
- parineum 6y agoWell, I'm using the word as it is used today. That doesn't really address my confusion. Patreon is a world were value produced is both determined and rewarded by a free market of consumers choosing where to spend their money. I do find it ironic that a socialists are at the top of the Patreon food chain and yet the comment: > it's not ironic if you really understand socialism. says I shouldn't. I'm looking for someone to explain to me why.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoMany socialist-adjacent philosophies are anticapitalist. Hence, the irony. Yes, yes, I know that it's not hypocrisy for anticapitalists to use money. I also know that not all socialists are anticapitalist. Still ironic.
- jessaustin 6y agoSome people seem to conflate capitalism with free enterprise. A deeper study would reveal them to be near opposites.
- false-mirror 6y agoA not-anti-capitalist socialist is not a socialist. TLDR: Capitalism is when production is determined by people holding capital. Socialism is when production is determined by the members of society. So the question being, should an economy be democratic or run by the rich.So long as socialists workers work democratically, there is no hypocrisy in earning money.
- wizzwizz4 6y agoEven the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_socialism says you're right. Huh. TIL.
- tshaddox 6y agoI bet they subsist on food that was produced via capitalist enterprise too. Not ironic.
- dane-pgp 6y agoYet they participate in society. Curious! https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/
- savanaly 6y agoYou're carrying on some argument from some other place on the internet and applying it here, but I'm not part of it and I'm not the person you disagree with. Irony isn't a bad thing, it just is or isn't, and in this case it is. I was just trying to clarify that since someone said it wasn't.
- dane-pgp 6y agoI apologise for replying to you without providing enough relevant context. It's true that you weren't the one who initially brought up the issue of "irony", but I didn't want to reply to the [flagged][dead] comment as that would provide even less context to people reading mine. You say that you're not the person I disagree with, but by saying "it's ironic" you gave the impression that we shouldn't expect leftists to make money from their work on Patreon. The point of the comic I linked was that there is nothing surprising about people earning money in the system they find themselves in while trying to change that system.
- BitwiseFool 6y agoI'm the OP. There's nothing wrong with these podcasters making money for their work. I mostly disagree with them but they've earned their money. What I find ironic about it is that these podcasters in particular are crass, irreverent, and hypercritical of capitalism. But, they're using the status quo to make life changing amounts of money by talking about how bad the current system is. Good for them, though.
- runarberg 6y agoIf you find that ironic, then surely you see the irony when rich entrepreneurs blaze capitalism and oppose wealth tax while making money out of public infrastructure and skilled workers. It is indeed too easy to see hypocrisy when strong opinions are expresses—particularly so if you don’t share the ideology. So easy in fact, and is done so often that it has become the meme that dane-pgp pointed out.