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From emails posted here: https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec21... > The

by chc 6y ago

From emails posted here: https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec210794 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-fec6ec21... > The announcement of the Friday event does an injustice to Marvin Minsky: > “deceased AI ‘pioneer’ Marvin Minsky (who is accused of assaulting one of Epstein’s victims [2])” [ ... ] > We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing.

pseudalopex 6y ago
Saying she presented herself as willing isn't the same as saying she was willing.
dahfizz 6y ago
Here is the full quote: We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates. He literaly said the girl was being coerced by epstein to _appear_ willing. Not that she was a willing participant. You are grossly misrepresenting what was said.
- chc 6y ago
  And I did not say "He said she was a willing participant." I think it is fair to say that Stallman believes it should be considered consensual sex as opposed to rape. Based on what he has said, I'm pretty sure that if you went up to Stallman and asked, "Did Minsky rape that kid?" he'd say no. On top of that, the idea "It is not a violation if I have sex with this child because I believe I have obtained the child's consent" is extremely controversial (to put it mildly), and it seems like it's just assumed to be a reasonable thought process on Minsky's part in Stallman's construction of the situation. Stallman seems to be starting from the premise "Statutory rape is not rape" and arriving at the conclusion "This statutory rape is not rape," and from there he proceeds to berate people for claiming it is.
  - NotSammyHagar 6y ago
    I don't read it the way you did. I think the analysis of Stallman's comments contradict your view.I agree with the (dahfizz) parent.

by chc 6y ago

pseudalopex 6y ago

Saying she presented herself as willing isn't the same as saying she was willing.

dahfizz 6y ago

Here is the full quote: We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates. He literaly said the girl was being coerced by epstein to _appear_ willing. Not that she was a willing participant. You are grossly misrepresenting what was said.

chc 6y ago
And I did not say "He said she was a willing participant." I think it is fair to say that Stallman believes it should be considered consensual sex as opposed to rape. Based on what he has said, I'm pretty sure that if you went up to Stallman and asked, "Did Minsky rape that kid?" he'd say no. On top of that, the idea "It is not a violation if I have sex with this child because I believe I have obtained the child's consent" is extremely controversial (to put it mildly), and it seems like it's just assumed to be a reasonable thought process on Minsky's part in Stallman's construction of the situation. Stallman seems to be starting from the premise "Statutory rape is not rape" and arriving at the conclusion "This statutory rape is not rape," and from there he proceeds to berate people for claiming it is.
- NotSammyHagar 6y ago
  I don't read it the way you did. I think the analysis of Stallman's comments contradict your view.I agree with the (dahfizz) parent.